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The thing about socialism that transcends capitalism is use values--providing use values and making this the measure of success: nutrition, life expectancy, health outcomes, housing, etc.

Using these as metrics of success (along with general happiness) rather than abstract figures (GDP per capita [useless when inequality is high) related to exchange values.

With that said, the post office is an amazing use value: send letters virtually anywhere for less than a dollar, send packages across the world, union wages, etc.

We take it for granted because we've always had it, but it's an amazingly efficient and affordable service.

It's not supposed to be profitable, it's not supposed to be measured by capitalist metrics--that's why it's important to defend, as a use value, and to push back on the whole "run it like a business" narrative.

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And this goes for other services the government does, like say, the British health service or even transport systems (we have this argument with WMATA in DC every year):

The right calls for the service to be self-funded, profitable, tied to a strict budget, certain portions to be privatized or subcontracted or oversaw by the private sector in some way, etc.

And then the mainstream "left" tries to meet them halfway by resisting privatization but introducing business methods to its daily...(+)

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...operations like adding little surcharges for certain services, means testing, accounting for *everything*, austerity budgeting, so on and so forth--all of it leading to multiplying layers of complexity, redundancy, and a mountain of paper work.

And then the inevitable result: the service starts to suck.

It's the same game as always: sabotage the service, then privatize it.

Dont argue within that framework of capitalist metrics and economic jargon: it's about use values. For everyone.

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@Catsandcatsandcats I find this compelling. Do you happen to have a resource you like for how use values can be measured or compared or whatever? Or just learning more about the idea? I don’t know enough to know if my first question even makes sense and I’m wary of just looking on Wikipedia or whatever first. If not, I’ll go digging on my own. Thanks either way.

@Catsandcatsandcats yes to this whole fucking thread! Capitalism is destroying society because of this exact problem.

@Catsandcatsandcats @dreamsofcheese Also the initial funding for OCR was from USPS. We wouldn't have OCR without the Post Office

@Catsandcatsandcats Capitalism knows the cost of everything and the value of Nothing!

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