Young folks: Please can we contribute using modern git-based workflow rather than email?
Old farts: No.
: OK, but can we at least use modern memory-safe languages?
: Also no.
: Perhaps we could modernise our language & attitudes to be more inclusive?: LOL! No.
: Could we at least consider addressing some long-standing community issues?: What part of "no" are you having trouble understanding?
: Why aren't there any new people contributing to our project? Truly a mystery. 
@Edent Please can we use modern build tools like cmake, ninja, etc etc
Hell no. Plain `make` does the job easily for 90% of projects. Rtfm and learn how to use it before you go pushing for the latest flavor of the month.
Joining an existing project requires learning how it already works. You don't get to just jump in and imnediately request every current developer change all of their established procedures to accommodate you. That won't fly, anywhere in the world.
@cedric I've obviously muted whoever you're replying to but, yes, lots of greybeards have no concept of time!
@Edent @cedric So you blame old devs only? That's a perfect example of stereotyping and it's the foundation for discrimination against those who fit a demographic group.
Think about what you're posting. BTW, I'm 63 with 25 years of experience as a dev. I'm learning Rust so I can have an informed opinion on this topic and to keep growing. What positive things are you working on?
@tzudad @cedric
Yes. I blame the old gatekeepers who refuse to try anything new and then complain when they can't attract newbies. I am very happy to discriminate against people willfully holding back future talent in order to protect their own fiefdoms.
Not that I have to justify things to you but, as an example of positive things…
https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-4411-lessons-learned-open-sourcing-the-uk-s-covid-tracing-app/
https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/02/presenting-activitybot-at-fosdem/
https://openuk.uk/profiles/terence-eden/
HTH. HAND. KTHXBAI.
Gulotta @tzudad @Edent @cedric It sucks because the people in power resisting change are usually older, but most devs are pushed out of the industry by age 50. So it’s not most older people, it’s the ones in positions of power
People don’t magically stop learning or performing at 50, but generally we’re not as exploitable, we have families, we need more flexibility and benefits. So we’re sacked
Anyway the kernel maintainers are dickheads always have been