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When Google corrupts your politicians, your schools (), your newspapers (), your web, your emails, your universities, .., you expect ".org"s like the to be your last resort and to defend you.

But when you discover that also the FSFE is financed by Google (2013-2020), it is finally time to :

fsfe.org/donate/thankgnus.en.h

& fought even in court:
gnu.org/proprietary/malware-go
fsf.org/licensing/google-book-

Is the @fsfe in the position to do the same?

@FuckOffGoogle @aral

@FuckOffGoogleZurich

It reminds that some other conference was completely sponsored by #google ... Can't remember the name but I was like "wtf ?!"

#privacy #fuckoffgoogle

@FuckOffGoogleZurich @fsfe @FuckOffGoogle @aral
"Donors who have contributed for more than 10% of our yearly budget are marked with a *."
Guess what is the only company in that list?
So they are absolutely depending on Google and probably would have to stop some of their projects and throw out people, if they would reject their contribution. :(

@FuckOffGoogleZurich @fsfe @FuckOffGoogle @aral

really, I don't like the google donation to fsfe, everybody know it's a poison gift. other hand i can understand some point to get the money.

one way to overcome google-money could be a campaign to reach new Supporter in this way: maybe "if we reach 500 new supporters, we don't accept google Donations anymore. Or maybe we cut google-donations to max 10% of whole income f.ex..

@tunda Yeah, great idea: Greenpeace already did that very successfully: if we reach 500 new supporters we won’t take any money from Shell and ExxonMobil anymore.

@aral
I shall writing a letter to the President of FSFE, Matthias.

thank very much for the Greenpeace example, I did't heard about until know. thx.

@tunda @aral If I had the spare finances I would get some more resources from them and make a donation, until then, if their main funder is Google, then until they get more donations from elsewhere, they may need to keep accepting those donations or just vanish, which will be a bigger loss to the community.

Not an ideal situation we are all in.

@aral @tunda

This is a joke right? Please tell me this is a joke 😱

@kingannoy @aral @tunda Charities and non profits seem to have very low standards ?

I would like to see Google , Facebook et al pay their FULL share of tax properly, the money raised could then be given to people like the FSFE and other groups such as those working in Mental Health and child protection in order to try and reverse some of the damage done by these non corporates, even better lets have more money put in to the fediverse so more people can run their own instances, and take back control.

@zleap @kingannoy @tunda How about giving it to people who – unlike the FSFE – don’t take money from Google, etc., *today* under these circumstances and given the difficulties and sacrifices involved instead. Just an idea.

@aral @zleap @kingannoy @tunda

The whole thing is murky. So in the #FSFE case this is "don't complain about our monopoly in the EU" money. "Don't raise issues about us at any conferences". "Don't complain about us in any of your campaigns". Stuff like that.

The EU could ensure that Google doesn't practice tax avoidance and then give that money to the likes of FSFE, but that still wouldn't get around the problem of undue influence by a monopolist.

@kingannoy @tunda Of course it is. Unlike some technology “freedom” outfits, Greenpeace isn’t corrupt.

@digitalcourage
Bin gerade über euren Boost dieses Toots etwas erstaunt. Habt ihr nicht zusammen mit
@fsfe die Kampagne "Free your Android" gemacht? Diese ist unter fsfe.org/campaigns/android/and immer noch online.

Habt ihr eure Haltung gegenüber der FSFE geändert, oder hat sioch die Haltung der FSFE gegenüber Google geändert (wie gesagt, die Kampagne ist ja immer noch online)?

Ehrlich gemeinte Frage ...

@Haydar @digitalcourage @fsfe Nur weil wir miteinander befreundet sind, heißt das nicht, dass wir das Annehmen von Geld von Google nicht verwerflich finden würden. Zumal gerade Google toxisches Geld verteilt. Nicht nur an .orgs, sondern auch an Medien. Siehe: bigbrotherawards.de/2019/verbr

@digitalcourage habt ihr euch einen Teil der anderen Toots mal angeguckt? Das ist stellenweise das gleiche Schwurbelargumentationslevel wie von #noafd oder Sinnverwandten... hier z.b.: mastodon.social/@FuckOffGoogle

@phako @digitalcourage Wie schrieb Peter Glaser dereinst: "Es liegen Nuggets im Schlamm." Was machen Leute daraus? "Mehr Schlamm bitte ..."

@FuckOffGoogleZurich @fsfe @FuckOffGoogle @aral
Also the #FSF took money from Google. But without Google getting anything in return. So it's not corruption.
fsf.org/patrons/fy2016

@akf Oh, Google got nothing in return?

If Greenpeace allows itself to be funded by ExxonMobil, do you think ExxonMobil gets anything in return?

Or what if a famous doctor is sponsored by Philip Morris… does Philip Morris get anything in return?

Are we really this naïve?

#InstitutionalCorruption

@aral
Everyone at #FSFE needs to band together now and say, "We only accept this donation because we know #Google have money printed for them at 0% interest, to boost #USstocks. We only accept the money as a hedge against inflation caused by reckless daily #moneyPrinting in the billions."

If they say that then they are forgiven, and all sins are absolved. ;)

#DeleteGoogle #QE4EVER #ponziScheme #SMP500 #pyramidScheme #BoeingCantEngineerToSave346Lives #lockheedmartin #menwithguns #boeing
@akf

@aral
I am not naïve, but I look at the whole pricture. When they would have toned down on articles like the following, then and only then I would be worried.

gnu.org/proprietary/malware-go

@akf @aral I agree here, if we take this

"On Windows and MacOS, Chrome disables extensions that are not hosted in the Chrome Web Store."

Surely if they allowed any extension from anywhere, then this poses arisk to users, I would assume to get approved for the chrome store your extension needs to be able to satisfy certain standards, on security for example.

We are after all told to only install software from trusted sources, I am sure there have been cases where malware has got in to these app stores.

To me this is prudent, allowing a free for all could cause more issues, heck I don't think even Debian let stuff in to the repositories unless it is fully tested.

@zleap Debian doesn't treat their own repository as the only legitimate one. They don't hinder you from installing other software, and they don't deliberately disable installed software.

So please don't confuse completely different topics.

@akf But that article cannot be correct. The FSF would never have been funded by a malware vendor, right? Very confusing, isn’t it?

@aral
Oh, I don't find it confusing at all. Lots of rich people donate for good causes. To relieve their conscience, to get good PR and not to forget, it's tax-deductible.

Note: The #FSF writes "The FSF does not endorse the activities of its patrons." and there is not even a thanks on that page.

@FuckOffGoogleZurich
I'ts even worse: Google funded the
@fsfe since 2007 (except 2009) as "Padron" or "Gold Donor". In 2013-2016 and in 2019 Google even contributed for more than 10% of the FSFE's yearly budget.

@FuckOffGoogle @aral

Btw @FuckOffGoogleZurich,

If you dislike Google as much as we do, consider leaving the server, "mastodon.social" and don't publish your images on "pixelfed" both are on #Cloucflare servers that mine your data, and who serve Google's #ReCaptcha.

Recaptcha is that data-mining service where you help Google develop their self-driving cars by selecting cars and crosswalks etc.

Cloucflare does that for Google.

@fsfe @FuckOffGoogle @aral

@FuckOffGoogleZurich @fsfe @FuckOffGoogle @aral Well it is not a surprise if you read about their principles: fsfe.org/about/principles.en.h the word privacy isn't even mentioned. Nor human rights. Probably just another typical European blabla org to fill up some empty desks.

@FuckOffGoogleZurich @fsfe @FuckOffGoogle @aral Too many things are funded by Google, and this gives them undue influence over tech conferences and organizations. To a significant extent they can buy mindshare.

Being funded by Google now is equivalent to being funded by IBM in the 1980s or Microsoft in the 2000s.

@nore715 @aral @fsfe @FuckOffGoogle @FuckOffGoogleZurich Maybe this justifies their stance on google

We understand this sometimes means having to accept short-term or even medium-term disadvantages in order to remain true to our principles, which may be hard to communicate and occasionally even unpopular.

at least in their view.
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