I've started feeling a kind of slight revulsion at the phrase "hot take" because it's like you're specifically signaling that it's rushed, not thought out, possibly lacking nuance, and you're proud of it.

This is not a subtoot, I've been sitting on this sentiment for at least a week

There's these studies about how once you commit to an opinion in front of someone you're less willing to back down from it even in the face of new insights; and online in 2018 has this culture where people rush to comment on everything that happens as fast as possible, you know? Is that a good combination?

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@gargron hot takes hiding behind a cw is just meme with a shelf-life. Ain't no thing.

@Mainebot I know. I considered adding a section to my toot like, I know most people use it ironically or just as a mannerism but it still bothers me. Decided against it to not dilute the message, if it's obvious to the reader and the result is the same.

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@gargron I think its kind of a cute affectation. I don't know where hot takes come from or where they're going, but they work well on here and that's nice. It's a fun thing, and people need fun!

@Gargron I always thought it was sarcastic, but that may be a left Australian birdsite usage

@Gargron I used to enjoy it--at least on an ironic level--but same. Sincerity just feels better. 😮

@Gargron I see where you're coming from. It's like saying, "I'm an asshole," as if that excuses the behaviour. Nope. You're still an asshole so admitting that doesn't make it right.

@Gargron well i rushed to comment but i like to think nothing really matters...because in the future it all changes anyway....and lately the changes happen much faster than they ever seemed to before...

@Gargron In his book, _On Bullshit_, Frankfurt talks about something called 'bull sessions', where people try out new ideas and argue things in front of friends and colleagues as a way of auditioning ideas - absent commitment.

I'd kind of thought that labelling something a 'hot take' was a way or partially disclaiming the idea while trying it on, like a bull session.

For me, this is part of working out and clarifying my thoughts.

Others may approach this differently, of course.

@Gargron those studies are fascinating and sad. I try to break from that norm and I'm sure I don't always do well at that

@Gargron I know it wouldn't actually solve anything, but I was musing with my wife last night about adding a 1 hour delay to any tweet. You have to come back and say yes I still want to tweet this.

@gargron this is literally what the phrase hot take is designed to point out

@Gargron I feel like I've experienced this a lot when I'm wrong in technical arguments.

If I can see where I'm wrong, and explain "Oh, I get what you mean, I was wrong", it's a semi vulnerable position.
And so their reply is almost always

Extra explanations of why I'm wrong/generic "you should've known"/nothing.

It's like the second you make it a disagreement, there's something on the table. There's no motivation there to backing down, and I wish it were more acceptable.

@Gargron eh studies are studies, but im not sure they're really describing anything like a rule of human behaviour. it's just logical that if you say something, you'll be less likely to say the opposite because why would you be MORE likely to express a contrary opinion?

@bmichael The rule of human behaviour is that it's harder to change your mind once you have told other people about it, because it's embarrassing.

To read more about it, see R. B. Cialdini's "Influence: The psychology of persuasion", chapter 3 "Committment and Consistency"

No, that’s recipe for long term frustration i think.

@Gargron that's because most humans are emotional children. the only matter at hand is truth. your emotional state does not factor into what can be proven by math and science.

@Gargron The effect that it's had on me is that if I start working on a personal project, I'll inevitably talk about it online, which will put so much pressure on the project that it's not fun anymore.

I used to think that growing up without internet at home set me back, but nowadays I'm kind of thankful for that.

@Gargron What if you applied this knowledge to your role in #MastoDev ?

@Gargron I believe "hot" has nothing to do with the speed in which the take was created, but instead has to do with the metaphorical heat of the take's statement.

@deadsuperhero the metaphorical heat is because you didn't even give it the time to cool down, like it's so fresh out of the oven

@deadsuperhero that's more of a secondary meaning that has developed over time, not the initial/primary meaning

@Gargron can we call subtoots “silent toots” it makes it funnier

@Gargron Don't forget some people use it insincerely as part of their dry comedy style. "I'll downplay what I say as a 'hot take' but this is my legit opinion and I'll fight you" is a pretty common sentiment in a transpostmodernist community.

@Gargron fwiw my interpretation of "hot take" is not this, but rather a take that runs contrary to consensus opinion

@Gargron Normally when I see this it's just to make a joke, or a trivial insight. That's my 'hot take' on it any way :)
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