For mastodon.social users:
Dogpiling and harassment are off-limits no matter how justified you think you are. The rules are for everyone.
Strongly considering adding screenshot-dunking to the code of conduct as well. We don't need that culture here.
@Gargron Praise be.
@Gargron too little, too late
@LeftCoast It's not our server most of this stuff was coming from.
@Gargron Good call.
@Gargron anti-screenshot dunking seems like a very fair rule to add--especially since Mastodon was specifically designed *without* quote-tooting for that reason
@Gargron what is screenshot dunking? I've noticed many don't know what it is.
@Gargron I don't think anyone has a problem with harassment/dogpiling being banned, what many of us are questioning/taking issue with is how you're defining harassment, and that it's not spelled out which things are banned (cursing? BOFA and similar jokes? etc)
@Gargron What is screenshot dunking? I can't even find the meaning with Google or Urban Dictionary. This term is new to me.
@Gargron add frivolous reporting
@Gargron a large number of users responding critically to a poorly thought out staff decision is dogpiling, huh?
@maolfunction No, what's happened with Wil Wheaton is dogpiling.
@Gargron it's more like people are seeing a dangerous precedent being set by the way staff on .cloud and .social handled the whole situation that will benefit abusers, but we'll agree to disagree it appears.
@maolfunction .cloud's decision to suspend wil has indeed benefitted abusers in this case.
@Gargron lol. this is why trans communities will never feel safe anywhere. so easy to turn victims of abuse into abusers for standing up to their harassers.
@Gargron on a serious note as someone who is fairly new here, this shit is embarrassing to watch. the same structures that are used to silence trans people for literally naming their oppression are being replicated while mods coddle those who enact said oppression, by leaping to their beck and call when someone bruises their ego.
@bb_almond It's like the same shit repeated on every single social media platform over and over and over a-fucking-gain, I hate this, it's like clockwork =\
@umbracreatura I thought the whole point of having multiple instances + moderators was to make it more difficult to use reporting etc in this way, and yet they’re just..,.. letting him ?
@bb_almond ikr, it's horrid. I was really hoping to find some sort of utopia here; I'm not even in any marginalised groups and I'm already upset at how futile it all feels now
@Gargron oh + LMK since when asking someone to denounce an abuser - who just so happens to be their “best friend” - is abuse, cos frankly as a survivor myself I find that comparison crass to say the least. you fucked up dude.
@bb_almond "this account mocks fascists" oh what a soft lil lad
@interneteh honestly nauseating
@bb_almond like an underdone egg
I feel like you're thinking of abuse on an exclusively individualistic level while ignoring the abuses against larger groups. I don't think that reflects your politics or anything, but I don't think you're right here. It got to a point where everyone was worried he was going to do here what he did on twitter, because he clearly has power, and everyone did what they could to call him out and draw attention, like a riot.
@maolfunction He was not actively harming anyone. He has clarified about the blocklist thing. You have every right to suspend him from your instance, but chasing him off from someone else's server through dogpiling was wrong.
@Gargron @maolfunction but you're blocking off. not one issue about this night's moderation was resolved. why did a mod with severe personal stuff to process, have to handle THIS situation, too. that's bad for both them AND literally everyone else involved. users should not have to wait UNTIL after the punishment was lifted to get to know WHY they were being punished.
@Gargron @labpleb @maolfunction
And there are also dozens of people very openly complaining and pointing out that you're putting the feelings of a powerful person who is careless with his social status over the feelings of a vulnerable minority group.
Frankly I don't give a shit about however many secret DMs you've gotten, I can publicly see the fallout. I can publicly SEE people who don't agree with your approach.
@Gargron his being on the instance was actively harming the entire trans community because of his prior actions against them. He's also sided with a sexual abuser.
You tell me how people were supposed to feel safe with him here when his past actions that have hurt huge groups of people are well documented. He was reported, staff felt he didn't do anything wrong. So he was heckled and criticized by users on the fediverse. Telling people to suck it up and move on was never going to work.
@maolfunction That's nonsense. If you ban him from your server no one there will see him. You're saying he bothers you if he just exists *somewhere*, well, he's still going to exist somewhere!
@Gargron That's kind of missing the point. I'm not trying to be antagonistic and I feel like there's a lot of emotion mixed up in this exchange which is something I'm trying to get away from.
Blocking Wheaton is a workaround to the root problem and it creates precedence on the instance that more insidious people like Blair White will exploit if they catch wind. I don't want to block a huge instance because of 100s of bad apples.
@Gargron @maolfunction The issue here is that from another server he still had the ability to influence the moderators of this server to silence his critics. The issue is that he repeatedly made frivolous reports and your answer to that has been dismissive at best and frankly callous
The problem is that you chose to do nothing when someone from another instance abused their status against your users. And now many of the people who were on exodus from Twitter have now gone on exodus from .social
NO ONE CARES IF HE FOLLOWED THE RULES.
IF SOMEONE'S ABUSIVE EX COMES INTO THEIR PLACE OF WORK, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEY FOLLOW THE RULES, THEY ARE STILL CAUSING HARM WITH THEIR PRESENCE.
Please for the love of God try to understand this. He has harmed people. They have a right to be concerned.
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