I'm now getting DMs of support because people are afraid if they agree publicly they'll be harassed next. That's not a good atmosphere folks.

@Gargron We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror. But the royal terrorists, the terrorists by the grace of God and the law, are in practice brutal, disdainful, and mean, in theory cowardly, secretive, and deceitful, and in both respects disreputable.

@Gargron Like... agree about what? No one thinks dogpiles are good. Many don't think he was meaningfully "dogpiled," is all.

@Gargron going on record that I support what you’re doing and that dogpiling is never good

@Gargron You have to remember that a lot of the people here are coming from Twitter where they have a history with Wilw. It’s not about the rules of the instance but more their past interactions with him

@Gargron They will be fine. Wil was the problem. He's no longer a problem. I mean, you aren't being harassed and you said we bullied him off the site.

@Gargron There's a lot of things people self-censor so they won't get targeted, Eugen. It's not new to the community and it won't be fixed without understanding why people were upset in the first place.

@Gargron The trans community that came from Twitter in particular is prickly and defensive because of years of having the only recourse being to be louder and more oboxious, because nobody else gave a shit. That's not something that is fixed in a week of good intentions.

@Gargron It takes empathy and communication and I think this instance had it fail on both counts, which is why it spiraled into what it did.

@Gargron Maybe you need to accept that your decision to limit the discussion is exacerbating the problem. I've been on numerous online forums (and that's all this is - a forum) and cutting off debate usually makes things worse.

IMO, you appear to basing your decisions on assumptions, not facts. Doing nothing allows people to release their pain in a safe environment. But you've chosen to mark them as "bad guys" here. Admins taking sides rarely helps. of those in pain demeans them.

@Gargron First principle in dispute resolution: let people fully express their grievances. Mr. Wheaton's an adult who acted badly, but criticism of him online is not going to damage his ego or is opinion of himself. Criticism is healthy. If I did what he did, would you have made such a big deal if I received criticism from those whose pain I triggered? Of course not! I don't really care about the controversy that much, but I do care that people in pain be allowed to express their anger.

@Gargron Today, I no longer get triggered by fear of being outed or dehumanized by others. I outed myself as Bi & stopped being anon online several years ago. But I understand that the fear & anxiety Wheaton's actions - his actions, not just his words - caused others. Knee jerk responses never go well. You forgot to view them, not just Wheaton, with compassion. Try again. You want a healthy, constructive dialogue? That cannot happen when you limit what people can post about their anger/pain.

@Gargron No one need fret over the quasi-celeb. He will move onto another social platform and alienate himself there before demanding special treatment, instead of using his considerable resources to create the echo chamber he is chasing after himself. Rinse, repeat ad nausium until he runs out of people to block because they had the gall to try to interact with him.

@Gargron On record: I support your and the mod team’s actions in this matter.

@Estrusflask @Gargron I saw someone literally threaten a mod with death over this last night. It's fucking absurd.

@Estrusflask @Gargron People feeling like they can't speak up for fear of being threatened with violence over this is likewise reasonable. Nobody came out of this looking good. Nobody won here.

@Estrusflask @Gargron So you don't think it's possible at all for someone to both understand the context for why a community would feel that way about him and agree in some aspect with how Gargron chooses to run his instance?

@Gargron Sorry I missed something, what are you getting support for? Harrassing for ppl for what. Not being wiseacre, I'm in the dark.

@Gargron I support you. I moderated a political discussion forum and know the difficulty involved. It believe the moderators serve the community space more than the community individuals. They enforce rules of use in that space like a landlord does. The best rules describe a welcoming environment for the individuals to occupy and interact. But the moderator shouldn't be controlling that interaction in favor of one group or another. They should endeavor to keep the space open for all invited.


The saddest part of all this is the lack of self awareness.

People are upset about a list of harassers ... so they respond with harassment.

Like ... do these people think that harassment only "counts" if you have a swastika tattoo?

@Gargron do your thing yo. Set the stage how you want it, with the atmosphere you want. If people don't like it, they can find their own place free of the things they're so upset about. I trust you to make good judgment calls and it seems like this is just Twitter bullshit being brought over.

So many people seem to think that unless something fits their exact specifications then it's an outrage -- it's impossible to please everyone, harder still to please those types.

@Gargron That was the shitty thing about left twitter. The validation gangs and quote tweets prevented more speech than Jack ever dreamed of.

@gargron I agree with you publicly.

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@gargron this is disingenuous behavior that should be getting the "that bullshit doesn't work with me" treatment, not taken seriously

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