I feel like I don't explicitly state this often enough, but I want to see a future where most people are on federated social networks. Mastodon, Pleroma, Misskey, etc, instead of Twitter, Facebook and Instagram.


This future could be around the corner ... I wish though that at least some Mastodon instances would also be able to integrate with and other instances

@Gargron (they'll probably still hang mostly around two or three instances)

@Gargron I don't care so much about federated or not, but I want the advertising and investor money out of our social lives. It poisons everything, and it has thoroughly poisoned the big social networks. And the fediverse is the best available alternative at the moment.

@Gargron Advertising is poison everywhere. Advertising is encroaching on our personal and shared spaces every day, always seeking to turn friendship and trust into manipulation and lies.

I will not post a corporate hashtag, I will not share a corporate post for any kind of reward, I will not even wear clothes with a prominent brand.

Because what you are giving up when you do this is precious and irreplaceable.

@WAHa_06x36 @gargron Yes, fully agree, I also would like to have networks that aren't poisoned by advertising - but in order to have services as reliable and easy-to-use as Flickr, Twitter, Instagram (or as *meaningful* to people if you are, in example, a photographer seeking other photographers to communicate with, online) requires a bit of money. If we want to ban advertising, we should become more willing to pay for services we right now take as granted "for free". 😉

many of us do.
We contribute to the running costs of the servers.
I believe that if this model keeps working we could even reimburse the admins for their working hours and not just hosting costs.
Also there are coops etc.

@z428 @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron I don't even care that much about advertising, I just don't want the services to be 1) monolithic and immoveable, or 2) perverting the truth for the service of advertising, like hiding recent posts rather than showing things chronologically, hiding content that otherwise happened without the user's input or desire, crap like that. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely also love that the Fediverse is ad-free, but yeah.

@EmmaG I wish you could experience the benefits of my work on 2.4, 2.5 and 2.6. Waiting on the switter upgrade...

@Gargron This is a laudable goal! Thank you for working towards it.

FWIW, I think this may be the root cause of much of the friction around the project.

Developing Mastodon with the aim of growth and bringing more people into the Fediverse is not the same thing as developing the "safest" social network. Those goals will be in conflict at times.

It's not my place to say one is more important than the other, but it might help defuse friction if people understand they have different priorities.


Do we mean for safety to be a privilege only for those who have found the right tools?

If not, growth is crucial.

How, including how fast, to grow ... that takes care. Drives for fast growth above everything else are toxic. But not necessarily growth itself.


@pixelfed by @dansup is exactly that.

Or rather, Instagram is a Pixelfed alternative that lacks some core features.

... at least once says "Yes.". 😉

@Gargron I want to see a future where we connect to the Fediverse from our own Domains.

I get your privacy concerns of webmentions. I is legit reasoning.

Thinking about display options and degrees of network connections

@Gargron Email is a federated social network. :) And that’s why Facebook and the others keep trying to kill it, again and again. But its resilience in the face of these attacks shows the strength of this architecture.

I've wondered if service providers that have a docker ready instances that let you setup say Mastodon, Peertube and Pixelfed for a single user or something like that. Kind of a turnkey federated web for everyone.

That is cool. Mad that is the first I'm hearing of it.

@Mtony75 Side note: Put https:// in front of the link in your bio to make it a clickable link!

Thanks. I told myself I would blog and dive into programming earlier this year but ...


But trying hard now to do both now. Even if it is just an hour and snippet of code a night. Glad I found so I can connect my post to Mastodon. Not sure how to boot post without looking like a self-promoting tool yet, but I'm working on it.

@Gargron Long time before that happens, Eugen. I'm on the same page, but how do you think that the older generation, who is barely comfortable with the ins and outs, (privacy not withstanding) of mainstream social media would be able to jump to a greater comfort level with federated social networks? my parents, for instance, no matter how well I explain, they'd never understand what the term means.

@Gargron It will also not work fully, particularly for video/audio until we find a medium that allows us to keep everything hosted forever, and still able to accommodate requests dealing with the DMCA (In the US, though not sure what the equivalent is in Germany) if somebody posts a cover that someone else wants to pitch a fit about, for instance. Even with most implementations, unlike YouTube, videos and audio can only be posted for a minimum of two weeks since people haven't determined an appropriate way to police copyright infringement.

@Gargron this will happen IMO when orgs are hosting their own instances. For example, governments often have many different Twitter/FB/Instagram accounts for many various departments and officials, those could all be self-managed in the same way those orgs manage email, dns, and web infrastructure.

Shameless plug: if you are an organization that would be interested in this, I’m available for consultation or to hire.

You have opposed three microblogging software to microblogging platform, fully featured platform to control every aspect of our lives and photo sharing platform…

@Gargron do you think a federated identity / authentication service would help with adoption?

I know I feel a little emotional resistance any time I'm asked to create yet another account. A portable identity for the entire fediverse would be very freeing, IMO

@Gargron double edged sword thingy that is. We are not away from Twitter/FB just bcz of the restrictive platforms that take away most of the control from us but also bcz of ppl who behave at their worst on those platforms bcz they know they have such a large audience n the platform that supports them bcz they get ppl worked up n engaged in using the platform more. How much can a moderator here, tolerate? And we do need somewhere our bosses and folks won't check on us. ;-)

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