@Gargron *whispers* add ActivityPub client support
@Gargron at some point dropping OStatus, even if not every single project has moved on to ActivityPub yet, should be considered simply because of the fragmentation they add to the fediverse, which is not much better than the threat of proprietary services~
@Gargron Diaspora hasn’t yet either
@hankg Diaspora has never used OStatus
@Gargron no but I consider it part of the fediverse
@clacke I was commenting on the second sentence not the first. Didn’t mean to derail an entire conversation so I’ll disengage now.
@Gargron Then some GNU social folks who think you have destroyed Fediverse because you have opened it to different groups of people would be satisfied too :D
1/2 Ok, i can understand Ostatus isn't the best piece of code in the planet. But in software projects decisions shouldn't be taken from a merely technical point of view, code is also political, and decisions about code have political implications. For example hubzilla has it's own protocol but they took the political decision of supporting other protocols via plugins. The decision of mastodon dropping Ostatus, at this moment, has a political... 1/2
2/2 Implication, it cuts out a part of the fediverse... But if it's going to happen it would be best if it happened in a fased way, like gor example a 6 month period from announcing to implementing. That could give time for other projects to migrate if they want, or implement AP plugins, give users time to migrate if tge project software they use dosent implrment support to AP. Male the thing smoother.
This is avlate reply, but ActivityPub has clear advantages over OStatus. OStatus has a few different protocols for different tasks, PubSub, OStatus, signaling etc. Also, discovery is not optimal, for example, if I just discover a user, my instance would think he only has 0 or 1 publication even if he has thousands. This is not the case with AP.
- #Pixelfed releases an official tagged version with activitypub support
Friendica 2018.12 is apparently a thing in development, but I have no idea if they'll manage to make the timeline.
#Socialhome also started work on implementing activitypub, but I am guessing they'll take their sweet time doing it :-).
@abbenm In the dev branch it uses both the diaspora protocol as always, and newly they also added activitypub although that implementation has not been fully completed yet, as far as I know.
You see, this announcment is only from November this year, and the last as yet released version of #Friendica is 2018.09 from September.
@mareklach well that's exciting! I quite like frendica
@mareklach I don't quite think any of frendica, diaspora, or hubzilla have quite cracked the code in terms of friendliness/useability the way mastodon has but I'm optimistic and I think frendica has arguably done the best of the three based on my limited sampling.
@abbenm I would say so too. The thing is, when people from the outside move to the #fediverse #Mastodon seems usable as a Twitter alternative, but they inevitably ask about a FB alternative as well. I have been referring them to #diaspora, but because of an outdated UI and a serious problem with user discoverability it no longer appears viable to me. I personally don’t use #Friendica, but have interacted with people here on masto who run their own Dev instances, and it seemed OK.
@abbenm #Friendica seems to have a slightly more polished UI than #hubzilla, and some user-created themes for it that I’ve seen are relatively nice, but the default themes that come bundled with the installation aren’t very appealing to be honest. I guess this puts many potential users off, so it’s definitely sometjing the developers should focus on.
@mareklach I think you're right. Part of me just really wants to be supportive. I'm on mastodon, in part, because I want it to work (but also because the community is really great and even now I think there's a kind of magic in the air here). I want frendica/hubzilla/diaspora to work.
But looking at squeet.me (just as one example), I see buttons for "friends conversations", "my posts and conversations", "conversations on this and other servers", "contacts", and "notifications." Getting there..
@mareklach getting there but not quite there.
@abbenm Well yeah, they are trying to copy FBs interface way too much and its horrible. Facebook itself never looked good to attract me on there :-)
@heluecht It's always better to take your time to do it right...
@Gargron Technically not the last one. There is postActiv. But it doesn't plan adding AP. GNU Social right now has at least 142 online servers and at least 19k registrations. Lack of NodeInfo makes it difficult to measure active users. @dansup was one of the users who mentioned working on AP plugin. Contributions probably welcome. A web developer's definitely welcome: https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-job-opportunity-web-developer-1
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