Mark Zuckerberg is a piece of shit. His platform sucks ass so now that governments are investigating it he's all like, I wish it could be better but there's no laws for it, it's not my fault! Fuck off

@Gargron For real though! The only reason he is pushing for regulation is to stop anyone from creating the Facebook Killer by ensuring that anyone looking to enter the space is burdened by having to follow all sorts of laws and regulations that only an already established platform would be able to afford.

@Gargron and people still use it. I more so feel bad for 3rd world countries who are stuck on using it because they have no ways of communication. texting cost money and fb is free for them... well in currency but not in terms of their data.


That's such a bad excuse too, like "Hah well, this thing is too new for people to have legislated against, but I'm gonna force them to have to clamp down on it because of my unmitigated greed and lack of foresight YOLO" like ugh.

.@Gargron exactly. He can fix it NOW, but puts the responsibility to governments. Tsk tsk.

Quite frankly I don't understand how Zuckerberg has managed to stay alive this long.

@Gargron broke: instance drama
Woke: Fediverse vs Facebook drama 💪

@Shrigglepuss @gargron

If it was a robot battle it would be like a single gigantic Eva that knows all your secrets vs. thousand of power loaders people built in their garages

@Shrigglepuss @Gargron hells yeah. Tuck another round of “”discourse”” lets drag Facebook!


Silicon Valley Billionaires: There should be no laws restraining us because laws are stupid and we are smarter than either governments or voters.

Also Silicon Valley Billionaires: It's not our fault that we don't do the right thing! There aren't any laws restraining us!

@Gargron Facebook might be the obvious 'competitive threat' to Mastodon but to the Fediverse as a whole I suspect that, in the long-term, an equally big threat, if not bigger, is Google. Elizabeth Warren's idea to dismantle them has a lot of appeal.

@Gargron imagine if this toot is specifically what kills off Facebook

@Gargron trudat.

But that both tells us how much of a waste of air Mark is, and how much we need regulation to step in and step up.

@rysiek @Gargron Why do we need regulation to step in when we can... step out! :dance_cool_doge:

What's a good alternative for users who prefer a sharing model equivalent to FB's? Friendica?

@codewiz @Gargron because you can, but most can't step out. Because you now need Facebook and GMail to fully participate in university, for example (a lot of professors post lecture-related material in Facebook groups; largest university in Warsaw moved to GMail for their e-mail domains, including the one used by students).

The "we can switch" is just a different version of the "market will regulate" myth. Monopolies are hard to kill, and regulation is often the only way.

@rysiek @Gargron @codewiz I'm always intrigued by universities of all places doing this, at the local university running the various lecture tracking systems and email servers is like 50% of the reason the informatics department is a thing

@rysiek @Gargron Would we be content with using corporate operated social networks after they're regulated by various governments to require user consent before using data for marketing or whatever?

@Shamar @xj9 @rysiek @Gargron Go ask the Europeans if they really wanted Article 13 and Article 11... Or ask Americans if they wanted to extend the term of copyright to please Disney.

In any representative democracy, electors can only choose between a few candidates, but have zero control over who sponsors them and how they'll go on voting after being elected.

Moreover, voters are strongly influenced by what they hear from the media, and that can also be bought with money.

@Shamar @xj9 @rysiek @Gargron My personal experience as an operator of several small sites with users in Italy is that regulations created in good faith to protect users tend to scare off admins with no legal experience more than they'd bother a company with a legal department.

When I registered my first .it domain, I had to fax my ID to an authority to "take responsibility for the content". How would anyone ever want to self-host a wiki with rules like this?

@Shamar @xj9 @rysiek @Gargron Also, have you ever heard of the Italian Crackdown? Many of my friend sysops had their homes raided by the police and their computer confiscated for operating FidoNet node.

@Shamar @xj9 @rysiek @Gargron I remain skeptic that computer illiterate politicians will regulate in favor of self-hosting enthusiasts and small non-profit. Their track record for the past 30 years has been quite the opposite.

@Shamar @xj9 @rysiek @Gargron
"Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world." — Nelson Mandela

@codewiz @Shamar @xj9 @rysiek @gargron oh wow I didn't know about the Italian Crackdown even though I was using FidoNet at the time.

Somehow it makes sense that they've managed to decimate a local online community without reaching their actual targets 😕

@polychrome @Shamar @xj9 @rysiek @Gargron After the Fidobust, the remaining sysops became paranoid about abiding the most obscure Italian laws at all costs. Some thought we had to register their BBS as a news agency, or use only "homologated" modems (certified by the then state-owned telecommunication company SIP).

@polychrome @Shamar @xj9 @rysiek @Gargron There were long arguments on legal requirements for "archivi telematici" to register the list of users' real names and phone numbers with the prefecture, or perhaps to the Carabinieri (Italian military police).

@polychrome @Shamar @xj9 @rysiek @Gargron As improbable as this may sound, all Italian hotels are _still_ required to transmit the list of all guests to the Polizia di Stato daily.

Nowadays, they can opt to fulfill their legal obligation via this beautifully designed digital portal: alloggiatiweb.poliziadistato.i

@Shamar @xj9 @Gargron @rysiek I disagree that competition is antithetic to collaboration. In open source, competing projects (or forks of the same project) can exchange code and ideas.

For instance, while Firefox and Chromium compete head to head, they often adopt technologies that were developed for the other, like Skia and HarfBuzz.

GCC and Clang even share a number of developers who work on both projects.

@Shamar @xj9 @Gargron @rysiek Depending on how it's regulated, competition can be destructive or additive.

Overreaching copyright and patent laws push companies to hurt each other rather than learning from each other.

Open standards and open source, particularly when using reciprocal licenses, levels the playfield and encourage collaboration within the industry and even across different industries.

Hopefully around here these are not controversial points?

@Shamar @xj9 @Gargron @codewiz @rysiek Something I learnt from my grandparents is that groups that appear to be competing may also be cooperating at the same time. As I understand it, much of this is about trying to get the customer base covered. We like to call this "competition".

The example they had was their work at a canning factory, where they would provide each other cans when they were low.

@Shamar @rysiek @codewiz @Gargron You're killing them with regulation though. Doesn't defeat the argument.

@rysiek Gmail scares me for precisely this reason. It's not just university schools ether, k-12 are also killing their own email servers in favor of gmail.

@codewiz Friendica seems a good alternative and they just released a new version. I think I'm going to set an instance up when I get near a keyboard in the next couple of hours. It may appear on if you want to give it a try. @rysiek @Gargron

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