I once did a poll on Twitter (back when I had my personal account) asking about the biggest obstacles to Mastodon adoption and the UI is on the same level as network effects. That's killing me. Like, I absolutely love this multi-column UI, that's the sad part
@Gargron I'm sure you do, but it can be overwhelming for new users. If you can build a decent single-column, simplified layout, that doesn't mean you can't keep the multi-column UI as an option though.
@Gargron as a nearly-exclusively-keyboard user the focus issues introduced by the multi-column layout are very difficult to work around, but I'm happily using Pinafore now. before that I tried to use custom CSS to force it into "mobile" single-column mode on my laptop but it never worked quite right.
@Gargron I definitely think you need to have a simplified, single column, clean UI on here. I wish I could get people started with pinafore and things like that instead of the multi-column view.
But pinafore and such lack full support of all the options and such you can change.
I've heard this complaint from a bunch of my first time users, especially folks coming from places other than twitter.
@Gargron The Eternal September reminds us that maybe adoption isn't what we really want? I've spent my internet life moving on once the masses find a platform and it regresses to the mean. Anyone is welcome, but having everyone show up brings some problems that clearly aren't helping twitter. I have no idea how to solve it and not be shitty to possibly cool people I want to talk to.
@Gargron imo you could take inspiration from the css hacks that force a "single column mode" by basically using the tablet layout next to the toot sidebar
@Gargron Actually, I rather like that it's set up almost identical to TweetDeck, which I find way less painful to use than the actual Twitter Web site.
@Gargron suck it up and do it buddy
@Gargron not that it counts for much but I prefer the column format of mastodon. Even when I did Twitter back in the day I used tweetdeck.
@Gargron multi column is good tho
I love the multi-column UI too! I like having options like Pinafore out there, so folks can choose the layout they like.
@Gargron multi column is so cool! It makes you feel like a hacker
@Gargron I've come to like it as well.
I think it also helps with not being grabbed by the main flow, since you have other things to look at.
@Gargron multi-column is working well for me, but we’ve been at the issue of .column (max-)width vs readability before. even glitch-soc’s improvements aren’t optimal.
especially with mastodon’s auto-loading of new toots, too short line lengths make it so hard to keep up. i have .column’s max-width overridden to 520 px to make it kinda work with longer toots, but busy times are still a challenge.
@Gargron I really really really love multicolumn UI and so do hardcore twitter users (tweetdeck is uberpopular for a reason). Those people aren’t coming to masto anyways. Leave them.
@Gargron I feel like the vast majority of people aren’t turned off by the actual UI but by instances which like. Is not a solvable problem.
@Gargron Yeah I love this layout but it's the first thing anyone mentions when I bring it up
@Gargron I like it too. Maybe just make the non-home columns compactable?
Could give a nice pleated skirt effect, like this https://image-cdn.hypb.st/http%3A%2F%2Fs3.store.hypebeast.com%2Fmedia%2Fimage%2Ff4%2F0d%2FSkirt_3_2-837fcdb73a8f61094d064f9e34d6.jpg?fit=max&q=90&w=640&h=832&v=1
@Gargron some people hate all those other columns because it's visual clutter. I, for one, dislike the rapidly moving global feed along my normal feed because I feel I'm missing something every second and the clock is ticking
@Gargron Maybe have options to choose from when someone makes an account
@Gargron I think the biggest issue for me is that I have so much wasted space, for short posts it's okay but for longer posts it just feels awkward. I would love for a way to resize the columns. (unless there is already somewhere, and I am missing something)
@Gargron for a new user, the multi-column thing is very confusing, at least it was for me... However I got used to it and stopped using halcyon after some time.
@Gargron Twitter has both Twitter and Tweetdeck as official layouts, have simple and power user layouts to choose between?
@Gargron I love the multi-column UI and I think for some of us power users over on the birdsite it’s a huge draw. It should definitely bring in the tweetdeck users. But every now and then I go to the single column view just to simplify. UI is hard, if I may understate things.
@Gargron Would you also make that an admin option, such that the simplified layout would be the default for new users? I imagine that folks would be able to switch to multi-column layout, if that is their preference.
"Strange UI" is the strongest objection I have encountered (and character limit), from friends who were looking to move from that Doomed Social Network run by A Giant Corporation.
They're all on The Giant Evil Social Network these days. Network effects are a factor. 😰
@Gargron FWIW, I love the multi-column UI too. Also the default dark-mode. Hope you keep it 😃
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