I'm working on something that would allow schools to run sandboxed Mastodon servers for educational purposes, but I need to modify the frontpage in such a way as to make it abundantly clear to random visitors that they couldn't participate in the network/fediverse if they signed up there.
I'll probably figure something out but ideas appreciated.
@gargron THIS SERVER DOES NOT FEDERATE.
in a big red box.
@alsternerd How big and how red we talking
@gargron Big and red enough. But 10% and color="red" should work, maybe a box with in shadows and rounded corners.
(Was more of a joke, but something like that makes it pretty clear.)
@gargron Something like this should work, I think.
Maybe bold, too. :)
<div class="box-widget" style="margin-top:30px;background-color:red;font-size:large;">This server is sandboxed and does not federate!</div>
@alsternerd Makes sense, I like it. I need to change the text above the sign up form too, though. And perhaps the tagline under the logo.
@alsternerd @Gargron I'd say "sandboxed" and "federated" are terms of art that we can't expect everyone to understand (especially school students learning to use social media). "This server is a private, standalone server" or similar might be better (and if the admin chooses this function, open reg should be disabled automatically or very clearly connected to the option to choose at the same time)
@Gargron wouldn't these instances tightly control registration anyway? not a big risk i think?
@_ Hard to tell. They might keep open registrations and could end up on those fediverse server list websites so I think strangers accidentally stumbling into a silo is a real risk
It replaced a homework "record book" and messages to parents. AFAIK they also allowed parents and guardians to sign up.
I had long since left by the time it was implemented, but AFAIK it was a distinctive website with the school branding and access to it was vetted by checking against pupil records (but the system is no longer in use, I just checked)
@gargron @_ I would suggest adding a prominent space clearly explaining exactly what is different to normal Mastodon and *why*, and provide space also for the schools own branding and links to their cybersecurity and Safeguarding policies. that should be sufficient for just about anywhere in the World..
@Gargron A cool little info graphic showing the server being federated, then a ring in-circling it and cutting off the links.
Then some helpful text.
@Gargron Completely unfederated or only federating with other school instances?
As a kid I also had a bunch of friends from other schools.
@schmittlauch Could federate with other school instances!
@Gargron Don't let the MoodleNet folks hear this xD
Will the instance endpoint return a special value like "federate: bool"?
@fedilab I'm undecided on whether the instance endpoint should be publicly available in such a case
Adding a new boolean won't stop old list websites from accidentally picking it up
@Gargron I thing that the "api/v1/instance" endpoint should remain publicly available (with an extra boolean parameter that will help devs to improve the UX by knowing the behaviour of the instance).
But for sure public, local and tag timelines should not be publicly available.
@Gargron in my experience the more obvious the better
a warning message in big red letters would have side effects (like regular school users thinking there's something wrong with the software)
I'd suggest a separate name (mastoschool or mastosandbox, or whatever), maybe a different mascot, with a sentence somewhere that reads " a sandbox version of mastodon, for schools etc..." with an explicit link to regular mastodon ("if you want the regular masto experience; go here")
@Gargron so what you think about is a Mastodon Server for educational purpose? Something like, hello kids. This is the principle how facebooks and Twitter works. And this are the dangers and this are the benefits?!
@DerRicky I'm not actually a school so I'm the wrong person to ask this but I've been approached by schools who want to teach kids to use social media in a safe environment
@Gargron I think having the ability to run private, secure, air-gapped Mastodon servers could have tons of uses in schools, academics, communities, etc. Kudos!
@Gargron YOU SHALL NOT PASS (UNLESS YOU'RE THE XYZ SCHOOL'S PUPIL AND HAVE A PERMIT)
@Gargron perhaps this could be a good point to have some kind of gauge going from "will not federate" through "federates with limited instances", "federated but blocks n domains" and finally "we won't block anything". This is a really useful indicator on federated instances too.
A red "display: sticky;" banner with a bold white "this server is not part of mastodon federation" or similar
If on mobile, display a popup-like box instead
@Gargron Mastodon: You're Going To Hate Mastodon Because This Is The First Experience You Had With It Edition
@Gargron no matter how good the software is, if someone's first experience with it is in school, they're going to hate it forever
@Gargron there should be a front page, Eugen.. mayhaps a GIF, or if you're feeling bandwidth friendly, a video of a man shitting on their doormat and addressing the brave new curious soul to enter the bold, exciting world of the fediverse by opening the front door after defecating on the doormat and saying, "come on in, buckaroo. the fun is just getting started!" with a massive grin on his face.
@Gargron just a login page, please.
@Gargron won't it be provisioned users by the education establishment anyway? Let them worry about it. A fancy private school is going to want to position it differently to a community college
@matt Yes, but I have to think about how it'll be used out of the box. Technically every such silo server would become a tiny Mastodon competitor, in essence no different to counter.social. I have to ensure what I create will not harm the federation principle.
@Gargron sorry for all the suggestions, must be frustrating.
@Gargron could also let it be white-label or grey-label, i.e. "[institiutional website name] powered by Mastodon".
just a login screen sounds fine, especially when you consider that it could be skipped often by SSO.
@Gargron I... like front pages, actually? I think they do a good job of up-front setting expectations and common-knowledge for the community.
If it's not too much work, it might be worth trying to do a reasonable front-page and only then considering removing it?
@Gargron same. i like, i like ☺️
@Gargron Education Edition works
@starwall But does that work grammatically? Shouldn't it be Educational Edition?
@Gargron worked for minecraft well enough :p
@Gargron Island edition 🙂
@Gargron participate in your own private ecosystem
@matt Sounds capitalist
@Gargron I'm doing the buzzwords eugen
@Gargron continue the discussion
@Gargron get involved with your community portal
@Gargron something to do with zones?
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