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I don't really like Signal. I don't like Telegram either. Wire is acceptable, but also clunky. It kinda sucks that people have to basically choose and commit to one app with all of their contacts now, if IM apps were federated like e-mail and Mastodon you could just keep talking to your friends from wherever.

@Gargron I love signal please don't bulli me Gargron

@Gargron i miss being able to talk to all my friends via pidgin and bitlbee

@Gargron @Lilith

What if it's not tho Gargron! I have to protecc...

@Gargron @ocean so wie masterdong

oh, treffer versenkt

gott bin ich heiss, ich geh mich mal unanzüglich anfassen

@Gargron i hope something based on element can be this. perhaps something on your phone that forwards any sms messages into it?

@tomasekeli @Gargron that exists:sms2matrix forwards incoming SMS to your matrix account. Works fine

@adfeno @Gargron -android and are .0

is your argument that there's only one true free-software license, and that it the hallowed ?

@adfeno @Gargron because if it is - the recommends as the go-to permissive license

@tomasekeli @adfeno @Gargron As you say, apache2 is permissive, not free software. Free software means copyleft license. Permissive license only means open source. That's what the other guy is talking about.

@TheDavidDelta @tomasekeli @adfeno @Gargron as I understand it, most permissive licences would allow anybody to re-release a project under GPL. If that's true, then it doesnt really matter in practice; we can't lose anything. For a project trying to get off the ground, giving companies the OPTION of using the code without any real conditions is probably good.

@TheDavidDelta

this is a common misunderstanding

permissive (also called non-reciprocal) licenses are widely accepted as free

see, for instance, gnu.org/licenses/license-list.

@tomasekeli @adfeno

@TheDavidDelta @tomasekeli @Gargron in the context of criteria for inclusion in the directory, any free license, either permissive/lax or copyleft (strong or weak) is acceptable. That said, your comment is half true.

@tomasekeli @Gargron I never said that “the only free license is #GPL”. See the #FSD's participation guide and review/submission guidelines (both linked from the start/home page) to see what is considered in the reviews.

@Gargron I agree, years ago we used xmmp to connect to a lot of other accounts. Facebook, MS and others killed that.

@Gargron There are IM apps that federate, like e-mail and Mastodon (via XMPP for instance), and there are others that don't.

@tagomago No sé la razón
por la que
Eugenio escribe un toot como ese 🤔 Es OBVIO que conoce perfectamente lo que le dicen (decís) en las respuestas, pero es como si crease un "flame" a propósito, para darle vidilla al asunto 😅

@xosem Así lo he pensado yo, que era un sarcasmo, y tomando por buena la oportunidad de hacer publicidad ahí que acudí a meter la cuña.

@tagomago @xosem A mi lo que me parece increíble es ver a tanta gente decir lo mismo. Lee la discusión, leñe. Al final eso es más dinámica Twitter (radial) que Fediverso (red).

@marcelcosta @xosem Lo de responder sin leer toda la conversación me parece que es universal, no depende de la plataforma.

@tagomago @xosem Si, no digo que no sea un hábito muy extendido. Pero tal como lo veo yo, en Twitter se fomenta (por algoritmos y tal) el que haya una cuenta altavoz que sea seguida por muchos que interaccionen sólo con él. En el Fediverso, libre de algoritmos, deberíamos intentar crear redes, interacciones más horizontales y no tan centradas en unas cuentas centrales.

@marcelcosta @xosem Lo que no veo es la relación entre eso y que se corrija el hecho de que mucha gente responda a un post sin leer antes las demás respuestas, porque un post se le puede hacer "viral" a cualquiera en cualquier momento. Y por otro lado siempre va a haber cuentas con mucha más popularidad que otras. 🤷‍♂️

(Conste que yo sí leí las respuestas, pero al llegar tan pronto nadie había comentado lo que yo todavía)

@tagomago @xosem Bueno, si uno está acostumbrado a seguir a cuentas muy influyentes puedes desarrollar el hábito de sólo fijarte en lo que dicen ésas. Si en cambio nos relacionamos en red, es más fácil que nos fijemos y valoremos los comentarios “accesorios”, incluso de gente con la que ya mantenemos una comunicación.

Esa es mi hipótesis 😁.

@marcelcosta @xosem Yo pienso que la explicación es más sencilla: leer supone más tiempo y esfuerzo que no leer.

@tagomago @xosem Bueno, puede ser una explicación multifactorial. También creo que hay una parte de ego de decir: yo sé esto y no me puedo estar de demostrarlo.

@panko Cierto, sí. Aunque en este caso como 100 personas han dicho “XMPP y Matrix” (algunas de forma más completa y constructiva, otras menos).

@gargron I put a lot of this blame on Google Talk and the transition to Hangouts. Talk was a nice federated application and Hangouts obliterated that. It also sucked a lot of the will for folks to try to maintain federated platforms because Hangouts just worked and most folks had a Google account. And now that they're killing it we're trying to scramble to find something to replace it that doesn't require an erlang degree or other people's infrastructure.

(yes, yes, XMPP. There. I said it).

@Gargron Yeah. If only there was some federated extensible messaging and presence protocol that could do this!

@drq I used to advocate for XMPP for many years, but I don't think there's any point anymore. I think multiple factors contributed to the downfall of XMPP... The underlying tech simply went out of vogue, nobody's excited to write or parse XML; too many crucial functions were not part of the core standard so UX varied wildly between different client and server apps, and of course the EEE by Google and Facebook contributed too, you could argue if that was a licensing failure

@Gargron
What do you think of the Matrix? Will it become popular?
@drq

@Gargron You could use Matrix or Jabber,they're federated just like Email and Mastodon and they work really good.

@kambing @Gargron and whatsapp, telegram, facebook messenger, twitter, SMS, gitter, ...

@Gargron I used to use Miranda IM, which is nice because it handled YIM, AIM, IRC, and various others. Sadly the FF Wiki IRC migrated to Discord and I just hate the setup and never properly got into it after my indefinite hiatus, so I haven't had reason to do anything but group SMS in ages.

@Gargron It's interesting that you think Wire is acceptable, because I don't see anyone using it, and I think it had so much potential.

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