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Google has suspended Element (@matrix) from the Play Store for "Sexual Content and Profanity". Basically same story as with Subway Tooter a while back. Element is to Matrix as Chrome is to the web. Curiously, Chrome is still on the Play Store.

@Gargron @matrix

How much as this got to do with the fact, they can't gain money from those of us who use element / matrix / irc etc. ? I suspect this is the real reason.

@clayogra

No, it's called #censorship and this is #communism.
#mastodon developers have been empowered admins to use censorship to ban instances. This is not so far from #google, #twitter etc.
“Our censorship is good, but their censorship is bad.”
This is #hypocrisy level 100.

p.s. Please do not teach me about communism. I know it from autopsy.

@Gargron @matrix

@Gargron @matrix Well... at least they didn't said it was a copyright issue like with youtube-dl being banned from github, they are moving to a more original excuse but still not credible enough.

@Gargron @matrix @SubwayTooter
Here is an article which is about Google tried to ban Subway Tooter.

About deletion warning from Play store - Subway Tooter blog subwaytooter.hatenadiary.jp/en

@Gargron @matrix @ekaitz_zarraga F-Droid and severally outdated packages, name a more iconic duo...

@zleap @Gargron @matrix
Drink more than 5 liters of di-hydrogen oxide at once and you're dead. It is a serious matter. And think how many companies add this thing to their products!

@xpil @Gargron @matrix yeah good point, that is why the orignal post reminded me of that, even though not many people may immediately recognise di hydrogen oxide as water Hydrogen oxide, or H_2O

@Gargron @matrix anyone building software that challenges the silicon valley in club should not bother with the Google and Apple app store's, just make your programs work well as mobile sites.

@Gargron @matrix

Surely you won't find that kind of obscene content in Google Meet, Google Hangouts or Google Duo...

@Gargron

This convinces me I was correct to think using #matrix with #element is the best alternative to WhatsApp

Big tech colluding to kill any threat to their centralized power

@matrix

#censorship

@Gargron@mastodon.social I never root for matrix but this is an outrage! It's absolutely inappropriate! @matrix@mastodon.matrix.org

@Gargron @matrix @blue using proprietary resources is dangerous. like if they weren't aware.
other open source software developers could leave google, but they have no guts for this.

@Gargron @matrix

I guess it's time to take FDroid more seriously.
This is war on free speech, and privacy (true E2EE). Donate to FDroid

@jcast @Gargron @matrix That isn't true. Look what happened to Gab. F-Droid pulled them for freedom of speech for reasons of hate. Just like Google and Apple.

@silibot @Gargron @matrix

Interesting point. Don't know gab so well. Well don't know US law but where I live it is illegal to incite to violence and oppression against minorities.

Do you think platforms should allow that? Mastodon certainly doesn't, nor matrix.

It is problematic though when more vague terms come into law. Such as fake news or hate speech. This can abused to create an oppressive censorship climate. The line is becoming thinner.

@jcast @Gargron @matrix I use Gab and I haven't seen evidence of inciting violence. I don't look for it either. I approve of freedom of speech except when it is coordinating violence against others. When someone says something negative towards you or others it shouldn't all be looked at as hate. They are entitled to have their opinion even though you or I think it's wrong. I am pretty sure it is illegal to incite violence in most US states.

@silibot @Gargron @matrix
@fdroidorg

So you think was just attempting to get heat away from them by banning Gab?

Or Gab publicly refused to moderate content?

Anyway I think a distinction should be made here. Gab is a centralized platform so not truly free (although you could fork it and host it yourself).

@silibot @Gargron @matrix

It is indeed a fine line between a racial slur and a call to racial violence. So for you unless you're organizing a massacre it's ok to incite violence?

@jcast @Gargron @matrix I am against physical violence except for self defense. Context is important.

@silibot @Gargron @matrix

Based on EFF's opinion here the range of forbidden speech is much narrower under the US law (in theory at least) than most mods allow, and some other nations allow.

eff.org/deeplinks/2021/01/twit

@Gargron @matrix Apparently, it can still be downloaded freely for the desktop from element.io, and for Android from F-droid, but the Matrix environment is for paid users? More learning needed.

@Gargron Tumblr is on the Play Store and it's full of porn, to the face of their dumb censor AI and Big G

@ranx To be fair Tumblr literally banned porn in response to being threatened off the Play Store

@Gargron well... i'm not complaining but they're doing it wrong and what is the Play Store doing about it? 🤷‍♂️

@MrClon @Gargron @matrix they have already done, as I take it. at least they promised to remove API that were used for blocking ads by the end of this month. and they change formats on their uncontrollable sites to make life of independent browsers developers harder.

@Gargron @matrix I deleted Google chrome because of sexual content and profanity from it 😤

@Gargron @matrix The fact that they removed it makes me mad 🤬

Thankfully we have F droid.

@Léo Well, all of my non-tech friends who don't use much else than WhatsApp. Going to be quite a job to get them to use F-Droid...
@hans Yeah I know. I was joking. At least try with Aurora. And take a look at eelo, /e/. Not really difficult to install and improve the privacy. But for now, all this cool stuff needs to have some tech-guy around, just in case and because it requires some skills. I know by experience that people won't change for ethical reasons but mostly because a solution is easier and more trustful than the previous one. So it's kind of up to us to make the things simple, efficient and reliable!
@Gargron @matrix somehow i doubt they will suspend discord or telegram

@Gargron @matrix Time to remove all email clients from the stores for "sexual content" aka viagra spam mails

@Léo Unfortunately the vast majority of my friends dont't give a rat's ass about privacy... They use Signal and Matrix because that's their only way to reach me. If they're going to have to add F-Droid to their phones, they might just as well quit Matrix.

Call it a conspiracy theory, but u wouldn't be surprized if that is exactly why Google dropped it.

@Gargron @matrix That is so freaking dumb. I hope #Google reverses this because they are threatening the very open #web that they claim to be the vanguard of.

Blog post: It has now been resolved and Element is back.

element.io/blog/element-on-goo…

> At 2021-01-29 at 21:35 UTC Google suspended Element [ . . . ]‌ We submitted an appeal asking for clarification at 23:18, and at 05:31 received a generic update [ . . . ]‌
> As of 11:44 UTC we’ve submitted a detailed appeal [ . . . ]‌
> At 2020-01-30 23:17 UTC we received a call from a VP at Google [ . . . ] some extremely abusive content which was accessible on the default matrix.org homeserver. Our Trust and Safety team had already identified and acted on this content [ . . . ]‌ we've explained how Element and Matrix works, established a channel for communication over any future moderation concerns [ . . . ]‌
> The app is restored as of 2020-01-31 00:30 UTC. [ . . . ]

@Gargron @matrix Let's report Chrome for “Sexual Content and Profanity”, it's only fair.

@Gargron @matrix

is there a list of apps that got banned from the google playstore? there might be some juice apps to discover xD

@Gargron

I really wonder at which point they actually kick Firefox. It's bound to happen at some point in the near future.

@matrix

@fribbledom @Gargron I feel like that won't happen simply because people at Google should know doing that would be asking for an anti-competition lawsuit.
(Or whatever the proper name for that one is.)

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