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Do you think you can easily summarize your server's rules in a flat list of bullet points?

That would make it simpler for mobile apps to display and easier for people to read

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@Gargron maybe an abstract form or summary, but no I don't think the full rules could be properly expressed that way, and I would not like something simplified like that presented as being the definitive terms of use.

@mike But your rules already are kind of a bullet point list 🤔

@Gargron I'm in the middle of drafting a replacement. That's a temporary thing that's been around about three years longer than intended.

@mike Still though, you could argue if you've got a long complicated document nobody will read that prior to signing up

Bullet point list might not hold all the nuance but people will actually read it

It's not like the extended description is going anywhere

@Gargron what exactly are you proposing? You've made it sound like you'd reduce the rules to a bullet point list for new users and that's it. How about a mock-up of what you're saying?

I want preamble, and some degree of clarification text in place. We know that for most people this is the one and only time they're going to look at this.

@mike @gargron the summary bullet points should have links to the relevant part of the extended description

@mike Ah yes, the beauty of the temporary solutions. :)

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@Gargron The truth is that yes, basically some very common general rules are followed and which are simple, reasonable for any person aware of their actions, it is not even necessary to read the rules to know what to do or how to act.

Greetings.

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@Gargron not especially an issue for me but I think it's doable in general as long as there's a disclaimer that it's a summary and not the complete, definitive ruleset

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@Gargron mine already is

if rules are so long the cant be dotpointed then i think theres a problem

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@Gargron
Hi!
Server's rules you meaned are as "rules for moderation",right?
I think it will be possible to indicate overview of community design by admin.This may help new users for choosing server.
But support & appeal by moderators are most necessary,and this is more difficult and costly than making rules :(

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@Gargron more than that, it would be best if a server had a constitution. There needs to be formal agreed processes for how to deal with potential grievances. We too often great mastodon/pleroma as just a service, instead of an organisation, as it should, with users having obligations as well as rights.

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@Gargron hmm, don't think so, or it would be a really long one

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@Gargron my server's rules:

Only Sean Tilley gets to log in. 😛

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@Gargron Yes

* Be nice
* No bully (unless you have mutual consent)

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@Gargron bullets yes, flat is more difficult. I guess one can change sub-bullets into a comma separated list, but that may not be more readable. There may be need for markup though, like emphasis and links.

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@Gargron hey I really like mastodon. You need to rebrand the name. I'm not a native english speaker and it's hard to remember mastodon. Pick some common name like Too, Toot, Birdy, Crow, 🦅 eagle

Something very common mastodon is hard to remember for non-native English people. I have have quit twitter with 6k fans and will move future tech communities to DApps

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@Gargron

Easily.

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@Gargron my rules are already a flat list of bullet points

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@Gargron We really need a set of ISO style warning labels for privacy and security of information systems. Someone completely illiterate can tell at a glance if something is flammable or poisonous, and should be able to do the same for basic infosec.

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@mhoye @gargron it has often been popular and tempting to propose icons or nutrition-style labels for privacy and security. I used to maintain this list: pinboard.in/u:npdoty/t:privacy
and I actually think Solon had a longer, more comprehensive one.

it hasn't been broadly implemented or standardized, but it still could be. Apple's work on short-form notices in their app store is significant, and could be a new starting point for a broader, Web-wide standard.

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@Gargron

I probably could but that would remove the very important framing of it as a list of Things That May Harsh The Admin’s Buzz. It would also remove the short TL;DR at the end that summarizes the general thrust of the rules with a bit of humor.

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@Gargron we kind of already do this, though i think having at least a freeform footer helps as we keep some other notes there

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@Gargron
Yes.
Perhaps it would help for mobile apps if we make a separate page?

Like this:
/about/more (general "learn more" about the server text)
/terms
/rules (in bullet points)
/privacy

If you click "privacy policy" on the front page you arrive at /terms. It would be nicer to arrive at /privacy

If you click "server rules" you arrive at the "learn more" page. It would be nice with two separate pages.

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