Increased character limit is Mastodon's least important feature, albeit a nice perk
Mastodon's primary strength are the decentralization (resilience to failures, government censorship, distributed nature of the moderation and ability to own your own megaphone) and the power dynamic between the product and the users. It is free and open source, and does not seek to exploit the user through ads or surveillance; it is, rather, made by the users for the users.
@Gargron That's nice and all, but I'm still going to say Twitter stole a feature from Mastodon just to take the piss out of Twitter
@troubleMoney Oh for sure lmao, I did likewise: https://twitter.com/Gargron/status/912802755181514757
I have written something on birdsite to reach those who are still on it: https://twitter.com/Gargron/status/912802755181514757
@Gargron We need Tribby, though. I think Tribby agrees: https://twitter.com/godtributes/status/912814453711933446
@Gargron Jack refuses to do the right thing, time and time again. Their platform will continue to be used as a vehicle for progaganda of all stripes.
Decentralization is paramount. When a web tool is not being the web tool we need it, we should make a new one. You've done that here, fantastically. The tool of Mastodon puts the power into people's hands to create their own social network. So sick! Much respect.
in all seriousness, though: I imagine Twitter lost some 'content driver' types of people, ones who actually WROTE shit instead of RT/linking everything
ones who actually wanted to write GOOD tweets and such
and that can't feel good -- b/c it keeps humans floating around, pressing the lever, looking for when the next random piece of content-cheese will come along
while some may feel inclined to immediately go BUT G/S HAS MORE CHARS THAN TWITTER
technically true! however, Masto provides things like "interface that isn't shit" and "generally less hate speech/harassment", which are lacking on G/S and arguably why G/S won't get more traction, IMO
the big thing G/S did was demonstrate distributed microblogging was possible
not that it was somehow 'better', because G/S, well -- it's as awful as Twitter
just not corporate
That in turn is why I haven’t abandoned Twitter.
(You guessed it — those hashtags were an attempt at discoverability.)
1/ Last night NYC time when you responded, I put together the search terms “discoverability Twitter Mastodon” and tried them out on 3 search engines.
Google found this thread as the 3rd or 4th result.
DuckDuckGo didn’t find the thread last night, but they did have it this morning.
So you’re right about that. I’m curious about whether the search engines are taking special note of hashtags. I also wonder if m.social is indexed better than other instances.
I would like to be able to search for terms /only/ within the fediverse. From the Mastodon UI, I don’t see how to search for >1 term, and hashtag search won’t find anything off your federated timeline anyway.
Maybe if Mastodon gets popular enough, one of the search engines will offer a fediverse-only search option.🙃
@wrenpile @Gargron #mastodon hasnt reached a critical mass of users yet. however if #twitter, #facebook and #youtube keep tightening the yokes around their users, i see that changing... Since April I have left twitter, facebook and google and have felt no need to stay with them. If you want to share ur mastodon posts w friends share via #sms. all this stuff is a no-brainer.
@bob @wrenpile @Gargron i always thought that there are basically 1% of users who have the skills to run an instance. in my mind the only way around this is to make a stupid simple single user instance client/server installation or wizard that could be run by someone who knows nothing about system administration. however as of right now i believe this idea is unpopular.
I can see how you might *not* want just anybody to start an instance because they may not be able to maintain it or keep it secure, and then people on that instance could lose their toots/follows/etc., but maybe that worry is overblown. The democratic solution should be to make it as easy as possible.
I think genuine domain experts can still find an audience in decentralised platforms, if they learn to play by the rules, rather than forcing everybody to play by theirs.
I remember when Jeremy Scahill was an active Tumblr user and that community was still small 10 years ago.
It's possible, if you want it.
As I imagine you already know, he has ~300k followers on Twitter now, so presumably he doesn't think so. The Intercept also has a heavily followed account there.
I don't think the people I follow on Twitter are forcing others to play by their rules, but maybe I'm missing something.
@Gargron I would actually disagree strenuously. The longer characters increase the ability to have calm discussions, something that is incredibly hard on Twitter.
The power dynamic is improved, but it now centralized around admins who have almost no accountability. No legal recourse... Decentralization is killing discoverability. I can't search for topics at all.
Open source is good tho'
But Nazis are banned. And THAT is the other key point that makes Mastodon.social better.
I dunno about the 'strenuously' part but I'd disagree about it being 'perk' level, so somewhere between those things?
> I can't search for topics at all.
Well, I mean, you can, it's just that people rarely do the work of tagging. They're used to automatic search, not opt-in search -- but it is usable, it just requires thinking about what threads you want to access again. (Sometimes I'll toot into a thread with tags just so I can find it again, actually. Rarely, tho.)
@sydneyfalk @pnathan The problem with searching for my own old tags is either that I didn’t think I’d need to #search for that post ever again or that I used a popular tag and now it’s buried under everyone else’s posts with the same tag.
Gargon did mention the he like the idea of letting each user have full-text search of their own posts.
> either that I didn’t think
this is an issue, but it's one users could deal with, IMO, at least for highly relevant stuff in a lot of cases
> full-text search of your own posts
this'd be ideal, IMO, but now that I think about it I might be able to hack something together for that in the short term anyway
(of course most people may not be able to, etc. etc., so the point is taken, just thinking out loud mostly)
@Gargron I think the social contract between admins to make sure users behave appropriately is important, too. The incentive is one of incubating communication to make your community attractive and useful, and you fail that goal if another instance blacklists you.
@ikea_femme That’s the platonic ideal. It seems the reality is that unless you build yourself a large user base or are good about maintaining a zero personality admin account (a.k.a. a separate personal and admin account), there’s always the threat that another admin might block your instance over personal drama, rather than your users being irredeemable assholes. Luckily, I haven’t seen that kind of discourse in the past month, so maybe learned something.
@Gargron I wouldn't underestimate the benefits of larger character limits. It's really difficult to have an actual conversation with someone 140 characters at a time.
One of the things that I loved about G+ was that you could find people and have actual conversations about topics of interest. I never really got that on Twitter. I'm hoping to have a similar experience here.