"Please be aware, that we aim to provide a code-of-conduct free zone within our assembly. Enter at own risk."
Look, I'm a big lad, but even I wouldn't want to go to a conf where that's written on the door lmao
@kellerfuchs @wxcafe @bea @gargron @bstacey Nah, few people actually like them and they aren't that well connected anymore, especially after many people finding out about Wikileaks working directly for Trump's election.
Then again, the whole congress doesn't have a real code of conduct, but just the "be excellent to each other". I guess what they are saying is that you don't need to be excellent to them.
@Gargron glob dang fucking nerds
@Gargron jfc no fuck everyone involved with that.
@Gargron my experience of setting up an enormously successful hackspace was a load of middle class people saying "we don't need a code of conduct, we're all good people here" then almost immediately getting their asses kicked by an unexpected sage spaces sitatuation that had really serious ramifications for several people.
@Gargron haha, safe spaces. Sage spaces, if only.
My local hackerspace is a small group and we have not had a need for many rules. But if we look at the hackerspace in Helsinki, we can see that they wouldn't have gotten anywhere without rules, and the people enforcing them.
They've had to ban: political party meeting and campaigning, high voltage electrical systems unless you're certified, uranium(!), and of course a number of individuals.
@Concerned_Commy just that someone brought uranium into the hackerspace, that person is now banned and so are any potentially dangerous radioactive substanced
@vurpo why would someone bring uranium into hackerspace
@Gargron smoke grenades and vuvuzelas anyone?
@cjd This was not from the organizing committee, but from the user-generated description of one of the self-organized assemblies. There are dozens of those on the Congress, see https://events.ccc.de/congress/2017/wiki/index.php/Static:Assemblies#List_of_already_registered_Assemblies
@galaxis Is "Wau Holland Foundation" not like the same foundation which is the organization behind the CCC ?
But please tell me there's someone on site who is trained in dealing with sexual assault, harassment & stalking and who does have the power to throw people out. This stuff is complicated and normal people (myself included) don't know how to address it if we see it.
@cjd @ccc @galaxis There is an Awareness Team who will be walking around & reachable by DECT and birbsite ( c3awareness), and who will help with conflicts and are generally able to answer questions and deal with stuff that comes up. They are good people, and last year they had the power to ban people from congress if it came to that, I expect that would be the same this year. If you run into trouble or witness it, get in touch with them :)
Scroll about halfway down to the english version.
If you didn't bring a phone for the internal DECT network, and there's any trouble, go to the CERT helpdesk (https://events.ccc.de/congress/2017/wiki/index.php/Static:CERT) or talk to any of the door angels which should be at all of the conference rooms.
@sandzwerg @ccc @galaxis the thing that annoys me most is how the CCC communicates. There was never an apology for dropping the ball on JakeGate and not even a confirmation that he's out until after the shitstorm had reached epic proportions. These people KNEW, and they protected him, and now they play games saying "CoC-free-zone" and then vague backtracking.
With this background, how am I supposed to believe that the Awareness Team is any more than a token for hushing criticism?
@cjd @ccc @galaxis you are talking about different groups in the CCC. Which is not always clear from an outside perspective. For many ppl the post "a reminder to be excellent to each other" was the clearest form regarding Jake they could offer. Means others thought it wasn't good enough. Regarding the event itself you'll have to trust. I fear there is no better way which I condemn. Still I think all teams involved do a marvelous job
@cjd @gargron Wau Holland Foundation and CCC orga have overlaps afaik, and Andy Müller-Maguhn is an early&prominent CCC member. What's more, the update they posted basically says "You dont like it, ok, we're still doing it." - from personal experience these guys are some weak sauce. They sit amidst their Assange fanboy-castle and cling to times long past... not open to discuss their positions, they are a relic of whiteboyhaxx0r glory days. (yes, the rant is now done, thanks for reading^^)
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