@Gargron elitism at its finest
@Gargron ravelry, my #knitting community, went over 1 million, then over 2 million, and now has more than 7 million users, and it's still pretty cool and cozy on there. I think mastodon will be just fine! yay for growth!
I'm very grateful for masto, it's the first social media alternative to the big companies that actually works for me. can't wait to see more people joining!
@Gargron Maybe it's not accurate to say that people don't want Mastodon to grow. Maybe it's more that they don't want it to grow in the direction that Twitter did it.
In my case, I wouldn't want it to grow in the direction of becoming yet another Nazi fest.
There's plenty of communities that we should reach out to that should be welcomed.
Giving a platform to nazis in the name of free speech and inclusion is the US centrist fallacy that we shouldn't fall for.
@Gargron I don't understand people who don't want this to grow.
It is not a "personal club".
@Gargron absolutely want it to grow! I think best way might be if it could get and stay in the limelight in news, blogs and discussions. Until it's so big that toots will be directly referenced and embedded and people stop talking about Mastodon, but instead about what's happening on here. Going to only to users directly might be a bit inefficient. Megaphones in the right places could make a big difference
@Gargron I hope my last toot is understandable, I had too little sleep lol
@sophia @Gargron Was going to say that, you beat me to it.
Unfortunately, if we want to stay open, we _will have to_ play the cards we're dealt with.
Being open to good stuff means also being open to bad stuff too.
I like this quip from Doug Gwyn: "Unix was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things."
Yes, growth is dangerous and risky. Yes it means more bad drama. But that's not because freedom is bad, it's because humans suck.
@Gargron I'm not gonna say it shouldn't grow, but I can see concerns. I've seen what it is to be victim of a mass harassment campaign on Twitter, it's not pleasant.
Hopefully Mastodon handles that better, but the more "mainstream" it becomes, the more those "bad apples" become a substantial figure.
A lot of folks' fear is that when Mastodon grows it'll absorb bad people. I'm gonna say this. I think even if Mastodon literally grows to the size of current Twitter, the world will be better off overall just because of how Mastodon is structured and what values it represents and what tools it provides for dealing with those problems.
> I think even if Mastodon literally grows to the size of current Twitter
I can agree with the caveat that it'd be distributed, checked growth
unchecked growth -- well, think of any invasive species
adaptation at certain rates is fantastic
adaptation beyond certain rates, from what I've seen, favors some pretty horrible outcomes :/
Imagine Mastodon being ccc.de. They have tools, right?
@Gargron No one seems to really recognise that part of the great thing about Mastodon is that you can pick an instance as per your tastes, moderated as such. The issue with Twitter having bad people is negated on Mastodon by blocking accounts and servers; you aren't trusting only one central moderation team.
How do I fix this on top of my profile???
But it's in any case also much about culture not just software.
the fediverse is a cyber space. The information that are shared have impact on ppl and ppl's behavior.
If we can continue to grow mastodon with mostly progressive ppl it will have in future a stronger cultural influence
Once it catches on to mainstream and many centrists, liberals, etc. get introduced to...well fediverse culture.
And yes there are millions of progressives who haven't joined yet
@Gargron Isn't part of Twitter's issue is that there is extremely poor moderation of 'bad behavior' ? I feel like if Mastodon could maintain some rules, they may not have the same issues as a massive site like twitter.
@Gargron I think as a community we should acknowledge their fear and make sure they feel heard. That is fundamentally what twitter has failed to do.
From a technical perspective we're not worried about shitlords ruining it but that doesn't mean that people who were traumatized on twitter share our confidence that the new system will protect them.
We need to be able to sort of culturate the influx, I think.
We can see historical breakdowns in usenet's eternal september.
I can't help but wonder what the critical mass is one way or the other
I think because mastodon is /so/ distributed though, it has a much higher critical threshold before disintegration kicks in.
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