Idea for joinmastodon.org (those are dropdowns).
I thought about the instances.social wizard and tooter.today a lot. And I couldn't come up with any options better than interest and language. I don't think new people know what size of community they prefer, nor do they want to choose things like "untagged NSFW"
The contrast and spacing on this sucks a little. I need to do something about that.
@Gargron Well, if you curate the list, you end up with people who have effectively less options.
Also, if people don't agree with the label given (example : artist), then they will simply go for the main instance.
That's without saying how much of a chore it would be to both have all those labels and choose one label.
We should stick to filtering instances by how moderation is done / what the rules are because it's much more varied and less opinionated.
@Lionirdeadman this is about getting *new people* who are looking up "how to join mastodon" into instances they're happy with.
this doesn't change anything for people who know what kind of instance they want to join, or who want to start their own. it's purely about guiding people who aren't sure about what they want to do.
@nightpool But it's guiding them to a curated list with labels on them, I'm not sure how this promotes decentralization.
It makes it easier to find something if you fit in one of those labels, but no it doesn't encourage decentralization and it may actually alienate certain users who don't fit in those labels.
I wonder if this looks better
@Gargron y'know I love that you're, like, looking at things and going "hmm" and playing with them until they look right, rather than holding a meeting to see what you can A/B test along key demographic lines to utilitize your core paradigms on a go-forward basis or what the hell ever
@Gargron That's better. One of the issues i noticed about Mastodon when signing up was that it uses computer science tech jargon to describe its features (fediverse, instance, decentralized, etc.). Social Networking and products/services in general are more effective when they use less difficult, easy to understand words to explain complex things.
@Gargron Not sure if its politically correct but i wish y'all named "instances" to "tribes".
"Here, you can pick which Mastodon website you want to be in. Unlike other social networks, Mastodon works much like tribes. Each tribe (Mastodon website) has it's own set of interests & rules about what you can say within its tribe. Once you pick a tribe you can not only talk to other people within that tribe, but you can also talk to people from other tribes within the Mastodon social network."
Yes, that would be much better and would avoid any drama from PC issues. Also, the federated timeline should just be called the "Global timeline". It's less scary for users (federated sounds like federal, aka FBI), is more accurate from an end user point of view. Not only that, but the icon for the federated timeline is already a globe.
Local timeline = Neighborhood timeline
Federated timeline = Global timeline
@kasaikumin languages is simple and makes sense, yes (would add it to /instance, no need for new endpoint), but I don't know how topics would work. For meaningful categorization we need consensus on terms, which means no freeform text input. But then we'd need to come up with a comprehensive list of categories to hardcode...
@Gargron I do not know whether I welcome this innovation. What about the people who don't want to associate themselves with a particular interest group?
Most users are logged on to generalist instances, aren't they?
It can also be interesting to take a look at communities you are not yet bound to.
@Gargron This is good. joinmastodon's "here's a huge list of websites, good luck" is an *insanely* intimidating first step to getting newbies on board, to the extent that I pointedly didn't direct people to it and instead suggested specific instances to them. Emphasizing human interests over tech-y attributes (and using less jargon-y language in the process) helps lower that barrier.
@Gargron for their first instance, they maybe don't know the size of the community but if they move, they will maybe want to know. I would and some friends of mine too.
Maybe add a dropdown:
"I like to"
2- "take part in community"
3- "feel close to others"
(1 is for big communities, 2 medium sized and 3 for little ones)