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Friendly reminder:

People, stop using , , and other Apps that make YOU the product!

There are already so many right-wing governments.

You compromise your current or at least future security (e.g. profiling using LLMs.)

Use or instead.







your Android phone

Data collection comparison of messenger services (found on the web):

@HistoPol
@smallcircles
No sure about #Threema but #Signal is a centralized service that use Google Api and doesn't allow redistribute/publish is free service such as #FDroid, what about #XMPP or #Matrix ?

@kino @HistoPol @smallcircles reading about Threema is similar to signal in terms like the server is close source and not #decentrilized / #federated like #XMPP or #Matrix

@distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles
At this point I'm not taking the open source == good (just coz) argument at face value anymore. The future of Matrix always seems somehow, em.. unconfirmed? An interesting project. I wonder where it will go. There's been a LOT of VC funding up to now, one might assume some return is expected at some point. Maybe not though. I've run jabber servers in the past, I still have one, but federated XMPP just somehow can't seem to take hold outside of its own niche.

@kino @HistoPol @smallcircles well close source/private != Privacy, you cannot own your data in your own server, you can't audity the code so you don't know what they do with your data

@distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles In general I find that false dichotomies don't help here. "Audited" code is overrated. (History has already absolved me) It may even lure into the false sense of security trap.
But yes, 95% or so of the time, if it is a question of data integrity/security, and you have the time and skill to do analysis, you're probably better of with FOSS. You might also choose to trust other people, which is what a code audit is, no?

@kino @HistoPol @smallcircles so instead trust many tech people that audity the code we should trust what one company behind those server said?, With XMPP you can choose several server some of those behind social activist such as disroot or use your own server

@distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles
Rather than trying to lock down options, everybody has to find what "works" for them. There are no absolute correct choices here. For some, a good option may be no tech IM style comms at all. For others, maybe getting a genuine personal recommendation of trustworthyness from someone you trust might be worth more than "some hacker bros said it was all good." Not saying this is or is not the case with Threema. :-)

@kino

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Thank you for your well-thought comment based on your wast experience.

I tend to disagree with your overall conclusion, though:

"There are no absolute correct choices here." Maybe. But we presently have "one size fits all", at least in the West, and that is .
In the face of the rise of fascism and the surveillance state a maximum number of people must move to...

@distopico @smallcircles

@kino @distopico @smallcircles

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...alternative messengers. The cannot indict everyone. This will protect the minorities (persecuted by the NS,) that direly need this protection.

I can see that many people might yet opt for even more security. But in this case, maybe even 3rd best would be way better than sticking with data kraken .

For instance, is definitely not the best solution for everyone. But yet, it has...

@kino @distopico @smallcircles

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...become the biggest non-corporate competitor.

I think the challange is finding the smallest common denominator and then promoting that (except for specialits lice infosec, who can easily manage 2 or more messengers.)

This is not about convenience anymore. This is information warfare preparation. Looking at what happened in the countries of the former Arab Spring or Iran and in particular to Russia and...

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

@kino @distopico @smallcircles

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...foremost China gives a pretty clear picture how this might turn really ugly.

The foremost global market square of ideas, , is already lost. It had played a vital role in the Arab Spring.

For instance, might be software, distributed and all, but its operational servers are in the , an autocratic state, where you'd better not...

@kino @distopico @smallcircles

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... be involved in serious car accient with a local as a foreigner.

In short, I think the choices would be very limited, if the criteria I mentioned earlier were applied.

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@HistoPol @kino @smallcircles is not limited, is just the basic requirement, you don't have privacy if you don't have transparency and you can't have transparency with close/privative software

So for a WhatsApp replacement the base requirements should be

- Free software client/server
- Federated/decentralized
- Allow self hosting, so if you don't like X location of the server you can use you own server in the location of your preference
- Support e2e encryption, ideally by default and required