Hey #Fediverse. When you post pictures, please please please with puppies on top fill in that description box for the visually impaired. You will be helping us out tremendously. We want to enjoy your pictures as much as others do. You don't have to write a novel, but just fill in some details.
Thanks with much love:
A Blind Dude
@LiamErven Sorry that I have failed to do so in more than one occasion. It's not an excuse, but I hate to write image descriptions (or every just general long text) on my phone - which is currently my only way to take a photo and post it on mastodon . So I was wondering, is it ok for someone like you if the image description is added later as a reply to the original image toot?
@LiamErven Would you mind answering a few questions about the accessibility of Mastodon as a whole? How easy is it to navigate? Do you use a screen-reader program like JAWS or something newer?
(I was involved in accessibility-related front-end web development years ago, and it's always been a pet focus of mine.)
@LiamErven Thanks for the reminder!
Here's a thread with great advice on what to write: https://twitter.com/RobotHugsComic/status/949324465191694337
Can you provide an example on what you expect?
I also noticed that I'm not really sure what to put in there. Should colors be described? Should it be what is in the picture in general or more about what's the focus/message of the pictures?
And especially with marketing pictures like a window with a few drops of water on it and the title of the article in front, do they need a description at all? And if yes, should the title be mentioned again?
@aral @LiamErven @switchingsocial @Gargron I don’t think forcing people will make them consider accessibility. You’ll just end up with people typing nonsense/empty spaces to make the dialog go away. I think the default of having the image description option there and visible when you add an image is an brilliant easy way to raise awareness of the possibility. More so, we just need to help people care about it, and write good descriptions.
@laura @aral @LiamErven @switchingsocial @Gargron Is it forcing or is it about ethical defaults? Currently we have inaccessible by default. Should images be accessible by default? (Same argument is used for privacy. Mozilla says Google is popular so it's the default but you have the choice to pick a private search engine so it's OK. Yet surveillance by default is the antithesis of private.) So how is inaccessible by default different? Surely accessible should mean ‘accessible by default’… no?
@aral @LiamErven @switchingsocial @Gargron it is accessible by default, the input is there by default. So you are opting out when you choose not to use it. If you were to make a toot not send unless you fill out that field, I can’t imagine the net effect would be beneficial? (Though that could be some kind of option you could enable to remind yourself to fill it out for your own toots?)
@laura @aral @LiamErven @switchingsocial @Gargron you could always put an option (enabled by default) to force the description on the uploaded media.
BUT the first time they use the service, or in the "how does this work" tutorial, tell them why the service asks them to fill that input and how to disable the option and the consecuences for other users
@aral @laura @LiamErven @switchingsocial @Gargron We used to require alternative text in client projects and made sure to train clients on proper alt text. They still often got it wrong, we found “alternative” or “text” or “image” used as an alt text. Plus there are situations where an empty alt text is totally sufficient, for example tooting about a conference and have their logo as an image attached.
@LiamErven I have a hard time finding the right balance between something too short that doesn't make sense and annoyingly verbose which takes ages to read out.
If you're interested and can spare the time, how would you improve my descriptions in this toot about cocktails?
Do they make sense to you? (I'm aware this may differ vastly depending on one's kind of impairment and if that existed from birth on or was acquired later in life.)
@LiamErven Hey! I'm really interested about this.
How is the internet experience for a blind person?
Can we give us some explanations about that?
I'm interested on the usability from a dev point of view and also the experience part. I'm curious about it.
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