It sounds like they’re actually dismantling the MPD and not just doing a watered-down “police reform” stunt. I’m really curious about the administrative and practical aspect of this, and excited to see how the city proceeds. There’s a lot that needs to be figured out, especially re: handling criminal cases and things like detention and long-term investigations. I know it can be done, but it will be fascinating to see how.
I’m most interested in how they address detaining people and criminal investigations. I assume maybe they’ll deputized community members who have been trained and certified? Also wondering what the Constitutional implications are re: defendants’ rights.
@LuigiEsq I think people are blowing up the meaning of this. It's certainly cool, but it doesn't mean that police will be gone from Minneapolis. They just wouldn't directly be employed by the city anymore, but they would still enforce state and federal law.
@fluffy not sure if there’s one handy terminal but just keeping an eye out for news around “Minneapolis police reform” will probably catch most of the articles you’d want to read.
one thing I'm curious about though is that does this mean they're going to create a new body that is technically law enforcement but theoretically operates completely differently?
or are they going to completely absent themselves from law enforcement, because iirc Camden NJ did that but with the approach that yeah the city police are gone, meaning that county police/sherrifs then had total law enforcement authority
this isn't me being critical I just know that, while yeah disbanding your police force sounds good, idk how much of an improvement it is for that to just mean that you hand it over to the county sherrifs/state police or whatever
tbh I haven't read a lot about what the changes in camden have meant long term, I've looked but most stuff I've found is from right before, during, or shortly after the changes
@SeanAloysiusOBrien I think there’s been a notable improvement in police brutality but they’re still bringing in mostly white “cops” from outside the city. I’ve also read that citations and summonses for misdemeanors have increased a LOT.
yeah so like I guess there's not the culture that a centralized city police department breeds but their policing is still policing and shitty?
@SeanAloysiusOBrien yeah. I mean objectively better than the alternative, because fewer black people are being brutalized and killed. But it’s sort of like the 8 Can’t Wait thing that “reduces police brutality by 70%” — there’s still the 30% who face police violence, when that # should be 0.
well the 8 can't wait thing statistics seem to be sorta pulled from their ass too
I read the paper behind that and while they claim it's "driven by data" they literally just pull out of their ass "each of these policies will reduce brutality by 15%!"
not to mention all of them are the sorts of policies that police department across the country already have and ignore all the time
the chokehold that killed Freddie Gray was already against NYPD rules for instance
@SeanAloysiusOBrien no for sure it’s a psyop but I meant it with the broader point in mind of “any reform that lessens the amount of people getting killed is better than none, but it shouldn’t mean the work is done.”
at the very least there was some other list of demands, 5 of them, that I remember reading and seemed much better, if still not quite far enough
like it included stuff that could potentially actually have teeth, stuff like getting rid of qualified immunity and such
@SeanAloysiusOBrien yeah lol it’s absolutely farcical that QI isn’t included in 8CantWait and proof to me that the campaign is being pushed by pro-police forces.
it is good though that I've heard a lot more people talking about qualified immunity now
like the more people who are aware of this absolute dogshit absurd legal defense the more obvious it will be that it belongs in the trash
@SeanAloysiusOBrien it SOUNDS like they intend to replace this stuff with actually community-led programs but it also could be your classic political weaseling. I’m going to stay optimistic for the sake of the people in Minneapolis.
honestly just take the existing police budget and split it into three even categories, an army of well paid social workers, an army of well paid MH professionals, and an army of well paid teachers
@LuigiEsq That's sounds crazy good. Unfortunately, the article doesn't elaborate on the public safety alternatives the city council wants to establish
@HotScot for 75% of the stuff police do right now? It will absolutely work. Cops have no business doing welfare checks or responding to medical emergencies. That’s what EMS and the aforementioned social workers are for.
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