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@Meeper @Mojeek It's encrypted between you and the facebook server but the facebook server copies it and redirects it to the contact you want it to have the message , and ofc facebook so they can analyze it and ofc now google. It's so simple bruh e2e encryption , geez. I don't know how people don't get this. that's security 101 🤣
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I think it is e2e encrypted, and what the article refers to is that WhatsApp by default uploads unencrypted backups of all the chats to Google Drive.
It is not enough to deactivate it in your account because the contact you are chatting with may have it activated.
To use WhatsApp "safely" (assuming there aren't vulnerabilities that compromise whole devices as there have been) you would need all your contacts to deactivate the Google drive backups.
@pingviini @Meeper @Mojeek Yeah, People tend to take the closest conclusion they can make rather than thinking about it. Because if you think of it, any product anyone is going to buy , they'll probably search it online and mostly they'll use google to do that + all the tracking technology on the sites.
But that's like too complicated for them, "The phones are listening to us thing" is way easier to them.
@Meeper @Mojeek It is true that all messages are encrypted in between phones (and no one can intercept them while it is in transit), but WhatsApp by default also "backs up" your messages into GDrive
So yeah, it's e2ee in the strictest literal definition of it, but it's probably not what people expect when they hear the term~
@Mojeek btw, I believe that walkie talkies are way better at end to end encryption than this. Give them a try.
@Mojeek Because of this, I mean after I found out, I made sure to make my messages about "Hoodley Hoo. Hoodley Hoo."
What in the world is a "Hoodley Hoo" you ask, that's what Google wants to know.
Also to Googs are curious because I have accounts associated with the Swiss, CERN.
@egret Apologies, the hot take trumped utility for a second, you can find the doc here: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/admin/2020/Press/20201216%20COMPLAINT_REDACTED.pdf
@Mojeek WhatsApp was acquired in February 2014, announced plans for E2EE in November 2014, and finished implementing it in April 2016. This agreement was in 2015, while they were still working on it and were still passing messages in cleartext.
@Mojeek but everybody keeps saying "don't use Telegram because messages there are not end-to-end encrypted by default; use Whatsapp instead" 🤷♀️
@Mojeek Something to be noted is that WhatsApp turned end-to-end encryption on by default only in 2016, this alone means the e2ee mention in that document doesn’t make much sense. Furthermore it appears the document was actually referring to WhatsApp’s backup feature, which as problematic as it is doesn’t mean WA messages are not e2e encrypted while they are sent or received. Maybe check your facts next time?
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