We have a new progress report on the #Librem5
@Purism software guys breathe a little easier with the 4 month extra time
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@Purism wooo! Thanks!
Quick question: will there be a way to run some Android apps (installed via .apk or F-Droid, for instance) on the Librem5?
I am excited about a RYF phone, but I also need one or two Android apps. Thankfully, they are available outside Google Play store.
An Android compatibility layer akin to SailfishOS's Alien Dalvik would be great.
@Purism wants the Librem 5 to be an actual platform. There is no plan to make Android applications work on the Librem 5, but there is no intention to prevent it either.
But the goal really is to get native apps or in-browser apps. GNOME Web will allow you to pin a web-application as an actual application for what is not (yet) native.
@Purism will not be able to support Signal on their phone, mostly because m0xie is hostile to third-party clients.
A community-made client is very likely to emerge shortly after the phone launch. There is a lot of overlap between the Librem 5 user base and the Signal's one.
Signal-cli (https://github.com/AsamK/signal-cli) looks like a very promising foundation for such a client.
@rysiek Matrix will benefit a lot from Fractal's split.
There needs to be a similar split/fork of Riot for Matrix to gain popularity
@thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek this is risky gambit. If Librem5 can't run Android apps, and can't run desktop apps because a) small screen and b) touch control, it's going to lean very heavily on mobile-friendly web apps at first. FirefoxOS tried to do the same thing and (I presume) sunk quite a bit of money into doing it, and failed. I have to say my main reason for wanting a mobile device is to run existing Android apps.
@strypey @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek I think of the Librem 5 as an extension/mini version of my computer in my pocket. Therefore I'd only expect Android support to be present if there was a good story for it on desktop Linux. There isn't so I wouldn't expect much, at least initially.
I am sure someone would attempt to develop a compatibility layer for it ASAP, because it pretty much suggests itself. I wonder if Jolla could be asked to open theirs up, if they haven't already?
@MatejLach @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek this is exactly the problem. vendor-specific Android/ iOS apps have become essential tools for so many day-to-day functions. This is why Blackberry died, because Apple and goOgle at their lunch saleswise, and no business wants to develop native apps for more than 2 platforms. Also, for some reason they don't want to mobile-friendly web sites that could be cross-platform, so FireFoxOS didn't fly.
@MatejLach @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek to be useful to me as an ex-pat living in China, the Librem would need to support:
* a map app that can give me English versions of place names, directions
* a public transport map app I can use to find stations/ routes for trains, buses, underground city rail etc
* an app that can scan Chinese characters and offer a translation
* a Chinese <> English dictionary
* a QR code scanner
* an English language taxi app like DiDi
@MatejLach @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek
* an English-language app for Taobao
* a translation app that I can type phrases into, and it will translate them into Chinese characters, and if I click a speaker icon, read them along
There are probably a few more I would remember if I could have a look at my wife's mobile. All of things are available right now on Android. When will they be available on the Librem?
@Purism This is awesome! April can't come soon enough.
Hi @Purism, I'm delighted you're progressing on the #LibreM5 and have chosen to follow the lead of #Tinkerphones and the GTA0x design that separates the baseband modem from the main SoC. It's indeed the only way to ensure users have a little control on what their device is doing.
I've been wondering for a while why you would go your own way and not cooperate with #Neo900 and Tinkerphones engineers on this project, since they have experience with the gory details?
@Purism Impressed that you're working on the big, hard problems like preventing the baseband "os" from doing whatever it wants to the os running in the ram, and getting the specs updated to something more modern, despite the preorders already being paid for.
I'm much happier waiting 16 weeks for something revolutionary than have another tepid "me too" product earlier.
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