@Purism software guys breathe a little easier with the 4 month extra time

@purism do you have any phone prototypes yet? because if dev boards are only shipping now there is no chance in hell for phones to be delivered in January 2019, you're at least a year off :P

I'm worried entropy will get my bq aquaris before you're finished :)

(also, please convince your German reseller to send laptops outside Germany, they invoke some bullshit about having to register them in all EU countries - because all ebay sellers definitely do this, y'know)

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@Purism wants the Librem 5 to be an actual platform. There is no plan to make Android applications work on the Librem 5, but there is no intention to prevent it either.

But the goal really is to get native apps or in-browser apps. GNOME Web will allow you to pin a web-application as an actual application for what is not (yet) native.

@rysiek

@thibaultamartin @Purism yes, I understand that. On my SailfishOS-based phone I use almost entirely native apps. I only use Android for one or two things (Signal is one), but these are important enough for me that without this compatibility layer the phone would be useless to me.

@Purism will not be able to support Signal on their phone, mostly because m0xie is hostile to third-party clients.

A community-made client is very likely to emerge shortly after the phone launch. There is a lot of overlap between the Librem 5 user base and the Signal's one.

Signal-cli (github.com/AsamK/signal-cli) looks like a very promising foundation for such a client.

@rysiek

@thibaultamartin @Purism yes indeed. There are a lot of things I am annoyed with related to Signal. But it is currently the only sane mainstream secure IM option.

I'd love everyone to move to Briar, but then Briar is also an Android app. Ugh.

@rysiek Matrix will benefit a lot from Fractal's split.

There needs to be a similar split/fork of Riot for Matrix to gain popularity

@rysiek I too am tied to Signal (friends and family are not ready for Matrix, they enjoy the simple UX of Signal).

Also, see @sir's post: "I don't trust Signal"

drewdevault.com/2018/08/08/Sig

@Purism

@thibaultamartin @sir@cmpwn.com @Purism yeah, seen it when it got published, vehementy agree with all points.

@thibaultamartin @rysiek @sir @Purism have you tried #Wire? Much simple to understand than #Matrix, and with a smoother UI. Plus not tied to BDFL who is antithetical to software freedom (eg Wire actually want their app in F-Droid). I'm @strypey on Wire too if you want to test it.

@thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek this is risky gambit. If Librem5 can't run Android apps, and can't run desktop apps because a) small screen and b) touch control, it's going to lean very heavily on mobile-friendly web apps at first. FirefoxOS tried to do the same thing and (I presume) sunk quite a bit of money into doing it, and failed. I have to say my main reason for wanting a mobile device is to run existing Android apps.

@strypey @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek I think of the Librem 5 as an extension/mini version of my computer in my pocket. Therefore I'd only expect Android support to be present if there was a good story for it on desktop Linux. There isn't so I wouldn't expect much, at least initially.

I am sure someone would attempt to develop a compatibility layer for it ASAP, because it pretty much suggests itself. I wonder if Jolla could be asked to open theirs up, if they haven't already?

@strypey @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek That being said, I am working on getting rid of any dependencies I have to the iOS/Android platform, as the point of this device for me is to get away from these as far away as I can.

@strypey @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek I do have one important dependency, which is my bank, (I use one of the modern ones, that only operate via an app), so that could be a problem. But I'll sure email them if they'd let me write a quick one for the Librem.

Doubt it, but it's worth a shot.

@MatejLach @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek this is exactly the problem. vendor-specific Android/ iOS apps have become essential tools for so many day-to-day functions. This is why Blackberry died, because Apple and goOgle at their lunch saleswise, and no business wants to develop native apps for more than 2 platforms. Also, for some reason they don't want to mobile-friendly web sites that could be cross-platform, so FireFoxOS didn't fly.

@MatejLach @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek to be useful to me as an ex-pat living in China, the Librem would need to support:
* a map app that can give me English versions of place names, directions
* a public transport map app I can use to find stations/ routes for trains, buses, underground city rail etc
* an app that can scan Chinese characters and offer a translation
* a Chinese <> English dictionary
* a QR code scanner
* WeChat
* AliPay
* an English language taxi app like DiDi
...

@MatejLach @thibaultamartin @Purism @rysiek
...
* an English-language app for Taobao
* a translation app that I can type phrases into, and it will translate them into Chinese characters, and if I click a speaker icon, read them along

There are probably a few more I would remember if I could have a look at my wife's mobile. All of things are available right now on Android. When will they be available on the Librem?

Hi @Purism, I'm delighted you're progressing on the #LibreM5 and have chosen to follow the lead of #Tinkerphones and the GTA0x design that separates the baseband modem from the main SoC. It's indeed the only way to ensure users have a little control on what their device is doing.

neo900.org/news/about-the-asn1

I've been wondering for a while why you would go your own way and not cooperate with #Neo900 and Tinkerphones engineers on this project, since they have experience with the gory details?

@Purism Impressed that you're working on the big, hard problems like preventing the baseband "os" from doing whatever it wants to the os running in the ram, and getting the specs updated to something more modern, despite the preorders already being paid for.

Respect!

I'm much happier waiting 16 weeks for something revolutionary than have another tepid "me too" product earlier.

@Purism thank you for including information about the developer device in the update.
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