@Shamar @Wolf480pl @noelle
-not having the right to safe abortions just increases the number of unsafe and illegal abortions
-women are shamed for even considering an abortion and are told that "god will help" them. and guess what, they often die.
-rape victims should not be forced to carry a child they did not want

also, it is usually better to prioritize the mother's safety because they can, to put it bluntly, always have more kids

@Shamar @Wolf480pl @noelle
So until this magical promised land of yours comes true, what do you suggest those considering abortions do?

@grainloom @Shamar @Wolf480pl @noelle prior to widespread access to abortions and other forms of birth control, the acceptable approach was infanticide.

Abortions are much cheaper and less messy. Let's stick with them.

Meat can have a human genome without being a person. It can even have the potential to become a person without being a person. Consider the root of every hair on your head, for instance.

@Shamar @Wolf480pl @noelle
Have you seen what poor families with lots of kids go through?
And you haven't really answered my question.
Until all those conditions you've listed are met, what are women to do?

@Shamar @Wolf480pl @noelle
Adoption only works if people can adopt and even that is not properly implemented everywhere.
Anyways, let me recap, correct me if I misunderstood:
what you suggest is that women who are in bad socioeconomic situations and are expecting a child that they (by their own admission) could not care for properly give birth regardless and either send the child off for adoption or raise them AND they should also fight to change society.

@Shamar @Wolf480pl @noelle
I think you are asking a bit too much.

Also, the case where the fetus is known to have serious genetic defects is imho not properly addressed. And Down is one of the better cases within that, at least the child doesn't die within hours after birth.

@Shamar @grainloom @Wolf480pl @noelle

> having the right to safe income and sustain for the kids, having welcoming communities that actively help ...

World ain't like that. People ain't like that. Not everybody wants to be a parent, y'know. Especially by accident, tragic or otherwise. It doesn't make them bad, it just means they have different needs and priorities.

> God cannot help anyone

Because there is none. Fictional characters don't help people. People help people. And people ain't all goody two shoes, most of us humans are pretty toxic bastards, get over it.

> do yoy prefer the cheaper alternative: let them abort and forget them?

Yes, let them abort if they want to. Nobody said anything about "forgetting them": there's a lot of shit associated with rape that needs helping with. It's a sensible alternative.

If the woman decides to an abortion, let her have it. It is not your place to tell anyone what to do with their bodies and parts of it.

@Shamar @grainloom @Wolf480pl @noelle Also, mind you, abortion is not a fucking sport, it's an emergency measure, ALWAYS, no exception.
It's a traumatic and painful procedure, not even taking the social stigma that exists because of you and people like you.
Women turn to abortion only when all other options have been exhausted already.
When's the last time have you seen a woman getting pregnant and undergoing an abortion every goddamn Saturday just for the hell of it? I thought so.

@Shamar @grainloom @Wolf480pl @noelle A woman also has a right to NOT reproduce. Capisce? And sometimes there is just no option to fully express the right to not reproduce other than abortion.

Now, what you're saying just makes no sense whatsoever. When and how access and right to abortion infringes on a woman's right to reproduce? Do you see anyone vouching for mandatory abortion? Strawman much?