"Free Software should empower everyone. As such, correcting the biases, conscious or not, that have led to the poor #diversity of our communities, must be part of our mission."
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news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1
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With all respect for the opinion of the Guile maintainer (that is as valid as Stallmann one and any other person), I do not agree with the basic assumption here.

is NOT designed to "empower" anyone. Empowering people is a worth personal goal of the maintainer and many other FS , but it's NOT what qualify software as at least not through .

Free empower people through the right to and the to fit their need.

@Shamar I dunno. The whole thing about users controlling their software, is users in control. Users are empowered.

"judge people by their skills, not race/gender" is part of the hacker spirit for decades.

So yes, IMO it all fits together.

@Shamar @ebel I fully agree with you.
Just concerning @esr , I do not think he is that interested in judging people (as humans) in open source communities.
esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7516
esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7579
I may be wrong...

@Shamar @ebel @esr

I agree.
In the context (wider) of this blog post, the judgement was already done by some people from the association. They "judged actions", it seems. Though luck for that.
I won't talk for him, but I do not think he is interested in judging someone or why he should. Maybe skills? Personally I do not want to fall in the trap of elitist communities. A contributor is a contributor.

Complex topic. I tend to agree with hintjens.com/blog:120

What @Shamar says. Both may be worthy goals but those are different battles. Fight them both if you want, but in different armies.

@ebel

@Shamar I have never heard a decent definition of "SJW". To me, being concerned about hacking is similar to be concerned about social justice.

@61 You're free to do that if you want. But to me, the ideas of Free Software are basically a form of Social Justice.

@ebel
What I do have a problem with is #bigots trying to impose their own values upon everyone else.

Back in #nodejs #irc there used to be some lass who would lash out against anyone who said "hello guys" (apparently that was sexist πŸ™„) or anyone who said "bless you" (because apparently if you don't believe in God nobody else should).

That pseudo #social twaddle helps nobody. Being able to dialogue and find common shared values with those we disagree with does.

@61 One can definitly make the case that the modern slogan of "believe women" has been weaponised against, esp., black men in USA, in the form of lynching. But I don't think that's what you're talking about here. πŸ˜‰

What do you mean "bigots trying to impose their own rules"? There is an ongoing discussion in #OSM about #CoC/etc.

@ebel
I gave you an example in my previous comment. The girl who used to police the nodejs irc

@61 so somone saying "guys" excludes excludes women? That's a bigot to you? That's the best you have??

@ebel
I think you might have misread my previous message. The bigot was the lass berating whoever would use words such as "guys" or make references to God. Pretty sure she had set a word list filter and just sat there waiting to pounce on whoever was trying to ask a question or give an answer. She might still be there for all that I know, try checking out the irc channel in question if you're so inclined. πŸ˜›

@61 no, e.g. the HOT code of conduct, the diversity-talk list, the ettiquette guidelines, etc etc

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