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Shamar @Shamar

I've just realized that I've always misunderstood the .

Frankly, I still don't like neither the music nor the "punk style", but I have always interpreted it as a sort of rebellion for the sake of , not as a criticism of .

For what it's worth, sorry.

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@Shamar The 1960s and 1970s saw the beginnings of consumerism and punk was partly about a reaction to that. Punk was always about doing it yourself rather than accepting a prefabricated corporate culture.

@bob @Shamar my perception (I'm in my 40s and grew up in England) was first lot of punks (after some moral panics) were quite quickly co-opted by mainstream labels in the 1970s; around mid *1980s* (when I was a teenager) there was a "second wave" of more underground music, this it crossed over with goth subculture and subgenres like psychobilly. more bands signed on indie labels (as access to the technology became easier). But in reality few turned down chance to be "pop star" if they got it..

@Shamar @bob

punks not dead (but many of them are middle aged nowadays) 😉 - there's quite a few folk from that era who might have calmed down with the music/partying side (a lot of them did get involved in the more underground side of the rave scene in the 1990s/2000s) but are still into the DIY culture/less consumerism side of thngs (such as the folk who are part of the local housing co-operative in my town).