@knightly my only regret is playing apostacy/sacrifice after that. That storyline is so bad and is just drama for the sake of drama. having to deal with static noise Lotus outweighs getting Edgelord Warframe imo

@Shotagonist
Agreed. And now she's gone full Sentient and flown off with Ballas, so why's Ordis still pretending to be her?

@knightly this is just gonna pull a 180 on her character again. Casting doubt on Lotus character is a meme they've been doing forever

@knightly I mean Captain Vor, Hunhow, Teshin, the Grineer Queen and Rell just from the top of my head all questioned Lotus (and Margulis) motives.

@knightly (not with Ballas btw - you kill Ballas at the end of the quest if you remember)

@Shotagonist
Eh. He takes a stab, but Lotus doesn't waste much time zipping him out of there. I really doubt we've seen the last of him.

@Shotagonist @knightly Hmmmm. I disagree. I actually love everything about it... big things are coming and this is getting me in the mood.

@Ulfra_Wolfe @knightly I dont mind Umbra as much (although the concept of Umbra Mods annoy me), but this meme of "WhAt If LoTuS wAs BaaaaaD?!" needs to stop. People keep questioning her motives to the point where I just want that storyline to conclude, I'm completely out of it by now.

@Shotagonist @knightly Umbra for me is more than just "I don't mind", it's like...

I dunno. What I needed when it came up. A way for me to cope with and see my trauma for what it is.

I dunno, it was... intense and... healing even. I connect to it on such a deep level, I'm not sure I can express it.

@Ulfra_Wolfe @knightly As I said, Umbra itself is fine. I still think the main plot has the quality of angsty teenagers making a forum RP.

@Shotagonist @knightly I disagree on every level possible, because I know what it does for me and I've lived trauma I can compare to it.

@Shotagonist @knightly (Sorry for jumping into the middle of your discussion like that btw ^^; )

@Ulfra_Wolfe @knightly Ever since 'The Second Dream' and particularly with 'The War Within' onwards, the story got progressively darker and is entering a territory of Dark Sci-Fi that IMHO has been done to death. Lotus' character on top of it is terribly inconsistent and purposefully kept vague in order to allow to force even more 'plot' which never really answers any questions. We'll never see the end of this I fear.