@thecapegreek they're one in the same. By not looking at what tech has done (and still does) to drive out women and racial minorities the industry will continue to deteriorate.

@ada How is it the same? Yes there are issues that also weigh in to drive those groups out, but that's an additional problem that piles onto it all. The whole point of the feminist movement was to open these doors to women.

Being driven out/prevented from entering is different to a lack of interest in the first place, and that lack of interest for various reasons is Damore's claim.

@thecapegreek yeah i haven't got the patience to have a discussion with someone who thinks damore was making some good points.

@ada This impatient opposition to discuss anything you don't agree with is the precise reason the left is losing ground.

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

When you say 'keep politics out of tech', you mean 'your politics', you don't feel the existing politics of white supremacy and misogyny because you are so used to it you can't feel it anymore or you are actively contributing to and benefiting from it.

Keeping politics out of tech, is trying to exist in a world that does not want you, will constantly question your validity and will kick you out if you complain about it.

@ada Do you believe that distributed ledger technologies have made putting politics into tech a functional requirement?

@ada I think a great question about "smart contracts" is whether or not they're even contracts. A lot of the eco-racism around gerrymandering[0] would probably centralize developer talent to coastal cities, even if they're not really contractually binding in some cases[1].

[0]: http://ideas.4brad.com/could-states-affect-gerrymandering-outside-their-state-conspiracy-rules
[1]: https://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/featured/smart-contracts-may-smart-contract/

@wittysense i think any tech we build reflects the politics of it's designer just as any art reflects the politics of the artist. The danger of tech is that we pretend it is perfect, unopinionated and rational.

I have no opinions about Blockchains and Distributed Ledgers in particular.

@ada Do you think that blockchains' governance problem is a political problem? Do you think data structures are ontologically significant to political structures? If knowledge is imperfect and uneven, can any person conceivably rationally aspire to perfection?

@wittysense again, i have no familiarity with blockchain tech or the politics therof I avoid that whole community like the plague.

What the hell with the second question? It seems more of a theological one rather than a social or tech one.

@ada It's an interesting question at W3C as far as DRM goes, I suppose.

@wittysense @ada "Dsitributed ledge technologies" have moved a lot of money into scammer's pockets, and that is about all it has done. I suppose it has made a political point by showing why financial regulation is absolutely necessary.

@WAHa_06x36 @ada I like the examples I've given which are clear and present in everyday politics, regarding gerrymandering — nobody needed blockchains to facilitate gerrymandering, yet now we all seem to think that blockchains can bring "transparency" to land banking. What do you think makes technologists think that way?

@ada eeeehh, nice to read that my English final will be applicable next week in class

((It’s on diversity in comp sci and comp literacy v_v;;;))

@thefishcrow nice topic!

@ada It's like they always say: if you think someone doesn't speak with an accent or doesn't have politics that just means they happen to share yours.

@JordiGH @ada Interesting notion. I'll have to keep this in mind. Not good to live in a bubble.

@ada
The tech industry is already dripping with politics, and libertarian-capitalism is reigning. This ideology promotes the mythical concept of "meritocracy" which is used excuse the marginalization of anyone who is not a 20-something cis-white hetero male, and actually leads to denial that it even does happen. It is also the ideology that had let to massive corporate centralization of the internet.

@ada do you need to apologise for that?

@seb_ly i try to keep bitdsite specific content off mastodon. But auto cross poster includes quote tweets automatically.

@ada do you have an auto cross poster? I never seem to remember to post here so probably good to auto cross post until I get a bit better at it.

@seb_ly i use moa.party it ks really good!

@ada oh that is good - thank you!