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Good morning everyone.

Starting a new thread on the Women Safety App. Creating a hash tag so as to make it easier to search toots for future reference.

Have removed people who hadn't taken part in the discussion and added others who have expressed interest in this.

Adding few more thoughts in the below thread.

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Can't even begin to explain how happy i am to see this initiative.
My suggestions:
1. Men should be actively included in this network. Only when they see the horrors of reality closely, people will spread the awareness
2. Ratings for police station is an excellent idea. If we make it competitive, stations will strive to show that they are better.

@amangupta

one of the things I would suggest that the data remain outside India, somewhere where we don't have any diplomatic relations. This is to ensure that nobody can fiddle or shut down the operations remotely or find info. on people etc. 1/n

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@KayKap

I do have anecdotal stories and evidences where state actors have vandalized servers and data which is not suited to the narrative. This is just a suggestion.

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@shirishag75 I am sure you do, but for the moment can we please keep this simple and easy to execute. Once it is launched, usable, stable those complications can be brought in. If you make it complicated from the get go the uptake won't be there... even on the back end... @amangupta @Vishsai @ajeeshrp7 @KnottedBow @musafir @DesCoutinho @tempearth @VivekT @wabbster @abj @CharismaticSal_ @MeenakshiKapoor

@KayKap agreed. Just sharing so it's in the list of things people should/will need to work on. When to do it, how to do it is again something we will need to figure out just as understanding UI and things.

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@shirishag75 Questions for the tech people

a. Can't we restrict the amount of data collected. What is the least we can collect to make it work?

Creating a list of must data requirement plus another one with options of data that can be collected and what are the benefits that can be derived and the issues of having that data.

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@Vishsai
Name, number, location would be the basics I suppose.
(I am out of loop about what was shared in the Google docs u guys prepared, coz I am out of that, at least for now)

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@KnottedBow

Please let me know if I can share it in any other way. I don't want people to miss out on things on the cost of revealing identities or any other restrictions. Others, please suggest. Can I use pad.riseup.net/p/wmG2x4cspsdPC and share it only to @KnottedBow through private ping. Will that work?

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@ajeeshrp7

If you make a pad, don't announce it on public TL if you want the pad to remain private. Although IIRC, in pads you can also make it private or public and have varying authorship rights.

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@shirishag75

I'll copy paste the content there also and ping her in private. I also need to update the doc with the discussion so far.

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@ajeeshrp7 @KnottedBow @Vishsai @KayKap

There is CIS bangalore as well. Maybe if somebody is from bangalore, could contact them. I do know they had done some work on something similar sometime ago. Maybe one could talk to them.

cis-india.org/

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Hi all, I did make a blog post about the thoughts that had been whirling in my head from last few days. Hopefully this may at one level may make for engaging read, at the other I hope it entices others to also take up some of the points I made and flesh it out perhaps a bit more.

flossexperiences.wordpress.com

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Hi all! Initiating the convo, because, honestly I'm feeling demotivated with reviews from my personal circle and most of the ladies from here. I'm confused of what our stand is now? I participated in the conversation with great hopes only because the conversation was initiated by a woman. Please let us know your thoughts 🙏

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Hi Ajeesh, thank you for this. What were the qualms expressed by women in your circle? It could provide us with where we can focus on next? Could be in apps or technology, or something offline.

@tempearth They are quite angry and disappointed to start with it. Also, they are not sure how apps will work in remote areas. They are expecting changes in Law and order mainly.

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Law n order are not under our control. We will do what we can. Hopefully what we do will act as a compeller for lawn order.

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Agree. I was (and still am) in their shoes. I am angry, disappointed, want the perps to change. But waiting for that means giving up on my freedom right now or till that happens. Honestly, I don't think I will see a societal change or 100% fool proof law and order that prevents rape anytime soon. It will happen, not right away.

@tempearth Yes. And when help is asked out, we can't deny by saying temporary solutions will not work. We are literally in do or die now. We will fix the timing acc to vote & work hard few weeks till we see some change. If you find anyone derailing from fruitful convo here, feel free to ignore or call them out. We will make a democratic decision.
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