Stupid non-key chording alt (or meta, remapped) key on my logitech bluetooth keyboard. How am I supposed to go M-S-> in an #emacs window inside connectbot?
Ah, one day I'll get angry enough to root my phone and hack it. But I'm not smart enough for that stage yet, considering the rooting for a note 5 is scary.
And JuiceSSH was even worse, no M- keybindings worked at all (or C-space), because this https://juicessh.com/faq/why-doesnt-the-alt-key-on-my-devices-physical-keyboard-work
@PinkCathodeCat I feel your pain!
There are just too many key chord bindings to "just remap" them like you would `C-b` in #tmux.
@PinkCathodeCat I don't know how many times I have typed `C-x C-s` in word. Thankfully it just refuses to do anything with the `C-x` or else all of my documents would be scattered with random Xs.
@alexjgriffith I...had libreoffice Emacs keybindings on my last machine. I don't really use libreoffice at home now, so I haven't set them up again.
@PinkCathodeCat @alexjgriffith I didn't even know you could have Emacs keybindings in Libreoffice. Time to do some research I think.
@loke @PinkCathodeCat #emacs keybindings would probably be enough to finally get me out of the Microsoft ecosystem
@alexjgriffith @loke I got angry with C-a at one point, so I used http://wideaperture.net/blog/?p=4324
@PinkCathodeCat @alexjgriffith ah yes, C-a can be absolutely infuriating.
"I'll just add this character to the beginning of the line... Argh! Not again!"
@alexjgriffith @PinkCathodeCat Yes, I do this all the time in Libre Office calc. Its a horrible thing though because 'C-x' will cut the current cell. I am used to using ses mode in Emacs. https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/ses.html
@PinkCathodeCat
@alexjgriffith
You *probably* already know the and have probably already rejected it as a solution. But you can always replace Meta in a chord with an Esc prefix. So instead of C-M-S-$, you can do Esc C-S-$.
This toot brought to you by a misspent youth of using emacs from keyboards that didn't even have alt keys or over lines that weren't 8-bit clean.
@alexjgriffith @gcupc no, I haven't rejected it but I'm not sure my Esc key doesn't have the same problem with three key chording on #android.
I'll have to fiddle when I'm not so peeved.
@PinkCathodeCat @alexjgriffith @gcupc Esc is a prefix though, so chording shouldn't be a problem. Unless I misunderstood your statement.
@loke
@PinkCathodeCat @alexjgriffith
Yeah, that's what I mean. Replace one of the chord keys with a prefix.
@alexjgriffith @gcupc @loke no you didn't misunderstand, but knowing my luck android will interpret it as a modifier.
@alexjgriffith @gcupc @loke ESC works in termux, but not in JuiceSSH or ConnectBot. So I've got some hacky syncthing setup going for lecture note taking for using my logitech :)
And I can handle ESC-v et al. :)
@gcupc @PinkCathodeCat @alexjgriffith the problem is that over a tty connection there is no difference between C-a and C-A. In other words, control keys are case insignificant.
As far as I know there is no way to access any control-shifted keybindings over a tty. Except of course using M-x.
@alexjgriffith @PinkCathodeCat I usually just give up in situations like that and just use the Esc prefix key for Meta. It always works, and feels reasonably natural to me.
I guess it feels natural to me because I learned Emacs on a terminal without a meta key, but still. 🤔
@alexjgriffith @loke I will have to try Esc, but :(
@PinkCathodeCat @alexjgriffith I know, it's not ideal. Back in the good old days there weren't so many meta-prefixed commands that you used all the time, probably because most people didn't have a meta key.
There are certainly things that I don't want to do without a meta key these days, such as program lisp using Paredit.
@alexjgriffith it's also ingrained muscle memory as well. This is over 12 years of Emacs keybindings, I can't change now.
My keyboard has alt keys, and they work with single cords - eg alt-tab, or M-v in Emacs so why don't they work for multiple cords? Same with control, although C-Space doesn't work. I think Space is some kind of special key that is intercepted.
And I constantly try C-e etc in non Emacs windows. Which obviously does absolutely nothing.