@andlabs according to Wikipedia, postmodernism tries to discern itself from modernism, so post-capitalism in that sense would mean a movement that's critical of capitalism while still existing in it?
I still don't think the current economic system is so much capitalism as it is a huge perversion of capitalist ideals :S So post- isn't the right term for it, but I wonder what is.. (see my last two toots)
@andlabs well, it's what capitalism will eventually lead to. I don't give a fuck about "capitalist ideals". What even are capitalist ideals other than "fuck poor people" and "aquire more wealth"?
Thanks for explaining though! That's an interesting pov
@noiob the thing I'm trying to say is those ideals weren't always the ideals — in fact capitalism as an economic system didn't even *address* the welfare of the poor, as it was a system for governing the relationship between businesses!
"acquire more wealth" is the first perversion that started it all, in my opinion; we wouldn't be on this slippery slope if it wasn't for the idea of laissez-faire
@noiob and in fact if we look back in history there's only two views on welfare that have existed:
- the poor are poor of their own volition
- the government is responsible for the welfare of the poor
and until Kayans the former was the one that won out in America, even *before* the industrial revolution that introduced "capitalism" to the world!
@noiob so a tl;dr of my "interesting pov" could be "after the blame for the 2009 recession fell squarely on economic institutions, businesses everywhere realized that unless they did something, from then on **they** would be the ones responsible for the welfare of the poor, so they **fought. back. hard.** because how dare they"
@andlabs I don't quite get what you're saying here, sorry, what did businesses do? I don't see how they might be forced to care for anyone's welfare.
@noiob that's what I'm trying to say: the economic institutions specifically responded to the 2008 recession by pushing for the economic system we have today instead of actually accepting whatever punishment obama's first two years had in store for them
I might be imagining the part where they'd be involved with welfare, but there was OWS...
@noiob neither do I; if you know any resources I can learn from... I do want to study this sometime though, my mistake here was asserting stuff as pure fact :S
@andlabs I wish I did! Socioeconomics seems to have a lack of accessible learning material, sadly
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