@andlabs post-capitalism would mean "after capitalism"

@noiob yes, that is the literal definition of the post- prefix, but I mean the art term post-; why do we call it post-modernism?

@andlabs according to Wikipedia, postmodernism tries to discern itself from modernism, so post-capitalism in that sense would mean a movement that's critical of capitalism while still existing in it?

@noiob hmmmm

I still don't think the current economic system is so much capitalism as it is a huge perversion of capitalist ideals :S So post- isn't the right term for it, but I wonder what is.. (see my last two toots)

@andlabs well, it's what capitalism will eventually lead to. I don't give a fuck about "capitalist ideals". What even are capitalist ideals other than "fuck poor people" and "aquire more wealth"?

Thanks for explaining though! That's an interesting pov

@noiob the thing I'm trying to say is those ideals weren't always the ideals — in fact capitalism as an economic system didn't even *address* the welfare of the poor, as it was a system for governing the relationship between businesses!

"acquire more wealth" is the first perversion that started it all, in my opinion; we wouldn't be on this slippery slope if it wasn't for the idea of laissez-faire

@noiob and in fact if we look back in history there's only two views on welfare that have existed:

- the poor are poor of their own volition
- the government is responsible for the welfare of the poor

and until Kayans the former was the one that won out in America, even *before* the industrial revolution that introduced "capitalism" to the world!