@anfora
Am I correct in that article 13 doesn't apply to nonprofits?

@webmind
I'm not a legal expert so I don't know what can be understood as profit (I'm thinking about donations)

@webmind @anfora

According to Reda, the non-profit exemption may now be dropped :(

@webmind @anfora

If it is dropped, then upload filters would apply to all platforms :blobastonished:

@anfora

Jeez... as Reda points out, these requirements are contradictory and/or impossible.

It's physically impossible to check every upload manually, and automated filters will never be able to distinguish e.g. parody works.

@switchingsocial @anfora Ms. Reda would be a great addition to the Fediverse populace if she'd have the time to set up an account. :)

@dansup As @selea stated: It will affect you anyway.
As soon as you have users from the EU (which you have on pixelfed) you /Pixelfed is affected by that articel 13, since your users remain the copyright owners of the posts they make.
That is if it passes of course.

@julloyart @selea @dansup

if i'm not in EU jurisdiction i don't have to follow EU laws tho

checkmate copyright reform

@xj9 If you have a platform on which someone from the eu is allowed to post something/leave data behind - you have to follow EU laws.
Why do you think all the big plattforms send those information about the handling of the data to every user last year?

@julloyart

that would be true if the service has any legal presence in EU, but there is no way to enforce those laws on somebody outside of their jurisdiction.

@xj9 Imagine the words "plattform" and "someone from the eu is allowed to leave data behind" from my last toot in bold text.
With "Leaving data behind" I mean the tracking and saving data of every user, every website does nowadays.
If you have a plain HTML site that doesn't save data from their users in any way, then you are right. But as soon as you handle data, you might be handling data from EU citizen and in that way you are involved, even if you are not in the EU yourself.

@julloyart

EU can't make me follow GDPR or any other regulation if i have no legal presence in EU.

@xj9 I probably should also state that I'm in no way 100% sure about that, but reading artikel 13 and the eu data thing from 2018, it is understandable in that way and the big plattforms like facebook and google etc were handling the gdpr in that way.

@julloyart

i understand that EU *wants* to enforce their regulations, but the point that i'm making is that EU has no way to enforce this for people/organizations outside of their legal reach (jurisdiction)

facebook and google both have a legal presence in EU because they do business there.

anyone who is merely accessible over the network doesn't automatically fall under EU law.

@xj9 @julloyart Your website/server could always get blocked.

It would be a shame to not be able to access all the instances in the fediverse because of this.

@Niquarl @julloyart

that'll be impossible in the near future. a lot of future internet protocols make this kind of network filtering much more difficult. impossible in some cases.

@xj9

Wrong, your service is accessible from "the EU", so you have to comply.

@julloyart @dansup

@selea @dansup @julloyart

oh wait, YOU CAN'T!

i'm outside if your jurisdiction so none of your laws apply to me.

@xj9 @selea We are not the EU police, at least I'm not.
I just live there and am as annoyed by those "We want to do it better but didn't think it through" laws as everyone who is using the internet from here or is providing a platform for sharing.

@julloyart @selea

well cyberspace declared independence from meatspace in 1996

so, we don't really care what the laws are in general

https://heropunch.io/declaration-of-independence

@xj9

Lel ok, just because I stated the facts does not mean I like it.

@dansup @julloyart

@selea @julloyart @dansup

your "facts" are wrong tho. i have no obligation to follow EU law if i am not under EU jurisdiction.

@xj9

No, I am correct. You have to follow them if your users is from within the EU. Go read it for yourself.

@julloyart @dansup

@selea @dansup @julloyart

the law can say that, but how can EU enforce laws that don't exist in my country?
@selea @dansup @julloyart @xj9 This is straight up false. If you are hosted in the United States and don't do business in the EU they have 0 jurisdiction over you. They wish they did fucking European Empire.

@dansup I don't know if you will suffer side effects 😅

@anfora @dansup if #GDPR was noticed outside, #Article13 certainly will. Sadly (only sadly on article XIII) the EU has a lot of regulatory influence.

@dansup @anfora unfortunately the Internet has no borders. What happens here affects global, and the other way around.

The #EU has made some incredible things - unfortunately not everything is good. I'm super happy still for the EU to exist.

@dansup

Daniel, I thougth you life in france, are you not?

Where do you life?

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