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So I'm trying to make sense of the hashtag usage data and I think today's trends are , , and and it seems like those actually kind of make sense

Current trends according to the new algorithm I'm trying to implement. Deciding values are unique accounts instead of total usage per time period (1 day), threshold of 5 unique uses in current time period, sort by (O-E)^2/E where O > E (O for unique uses during current time period, E for unique uses during past equivalent time period)

@Gargron I wonder if it's worth comparing the percentage of unique accounts tooting a hashtag out of the baseline of total unique accounts tooting that day? otherwise I think it might be easier to get a hashtag "trending" on days with lower traffic (since hashtags maintaining or even dramatically increasing their percentage of toots from a high-traffic day to a lower-traffic day will have lower raw counts compared to the previous day than a new hashtag that hadn't been trending the day before?)

@aparrish @Gargron
Hashtag TFIDF could make it so one user or a small group of users couldn't manufacture a trend.

@enkiv2 @aparrish This is all a bit beyond my expertise. I think total toots per day should have no effect on trends, since every hashtag has a base frequency it should be equally easy to trend on a low traffic and high traffic day as long as there's a genuine increase in frequency (threshold=5 accounts tooting about it)

I don't know what TFIDF stands for, sorry

Allison Parrish @aparrish

@Gargron @enkiv2

here's what I mean (numbers indicate unique users)

day | | | total
--- | ---- | ---- | -----
1 | 100 | 5 | 1000
2 | 150 | 25 | 500

according to your formula, on day 2, has a score of 25 ((150-100)^2/100). has a score of 80 ((25 - 5)^2/5). however, as a total *percentage* of unique users using the hashtag, increased from 10% on day 1 to 30% on day 2 (+20%), while only increased from 0.5% on day 1 to 5% on day 2 (+4.5%).

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@aparrish @enkiv2 I'm not sure bar *isn't* deserving of being considered a trend under those circumstances

@Gargron @enkiv2 that's fair, I just wanted to point out this potential side effect of the scoring system in case you weren't aware of it.

@aparrish
I'm very wary of the concept of "trend". Really am not waiting for Mastodon to supporting it.
But, as it seems it will, here's my 2c: are we taking into account the difference between *global* trends and one that exist only in a user's network of contacts?
@gargron @enkiv2

@dataKnightmare @aparrish @Gargron
Trending hashtags are only visible to instance admins, right?

If so, I don't see how they would benefit from this distinction (though they might benefit from local vs federated rates)

@enkiv2
Oh. Wasn't aware of that. What's the value for instance admins in that? *Puzzled*
@aparrish @gargron

@enkiv2 what do you mean only admins? afaik they are (will be since momentarily hidden) a standard features for users @dataKnightmare @aparrish @Gargron

@enkiv2 yeah it's already implemented on m.s, now hidden, but yesterday we saw it tested for some time. I don't know how many other instances are already running the latest release though.