As a programmer and quasi-poet who is also experimenting with book generation/design, I am finding this podcast ep featuring @aparrish to be extremely interesting.: https://www.commonpodcast.com/home/2018/2/14/episode-46-allison-parrish
Takes a while to get started. Worth it!
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the thing that was weirdly remarkable about this to me was that the interviewer (Rachel Zucker) *really* took the time to investigate and understand my work, beyond the usual "computer poems? who'd a thunk it" talking points. as someone who still feels a bit of impostor syndrome when context-switching between disciplines, it felt very validating and I continue to be grateful for it.
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https://www.commonpodcast.com/home/2018/2/14/episode-46-allison-parrish I was on a poetry podcast! The podcast is Commonplace, which has also had a number of my favorite poets (and legitimate poetry legends) as guests. the conversation turned out really well I think and I hope you have a chance to listen to it!
(this is the book that occasioned my appearance on the podcast btw: http://counterpathpress.org/articulationsallison-parrish though it's out of stock at SPD and there's only one copy left on amazon for some reason)
@jboy yeah! you can also see that people writing scholarly articles have obviously just copied the attribution and the citation without bothering to actually check that the cited work has the quote. the super ironic thing is that it's very easy to imagine Jung saying something like this quote, so it might even be a faithful paraphrase of some paragraph or other in one of these books. (maybe someone's paraphrase of Jung in English before the corresponding work was "officially" translated?)
@xor I think the annoyance isn't just that I can't use the *text* of the quote, it's that I can't use the quote and also borrow the connotations and authority of Jung (specifically) while I do so. I mean, I can express that same idea with my own words, I don't really need the quote.
I mean, it's a good quote that compactly expresses an important idea, which it does even if Jung didn't say it. but annoying because without an actual attribution I can't in good conscience use it as like... a quote on a slide or a chapter epigraph or something. (or I can but if I attribute it to "anonymous?" or "carl jung supposedly" then people will want to argue about the attribution and not the idea)
very annoyed that the quote "Often the hands will solve a mystery that the intellect has struggled
with in vain" can't be reliably attributed to anyone, let alone Jung (to whom it is often attributed). even in scholarly articles, when they bother to attribute the quote at all, cite to Jung's _Memories, Dreams, Reflections_ which doesn't (as far as I can tell) contain those words.
pretty sure you could model it with a simple procedure stating "every ten paragraphs or so, insert text 'Indeed, according to Deleuze,' followed by a random sentence from Thousand Plateaus or whatever"
towards a computational model of humanities scholars needlessly quoting deleuze
@theoutrider I wasn't even considering the mundane/visual novel aspects of the persona games, just the teenagers-doing-battle aspect. in any case I feel like I can come up with like a gazillion tv shows that have slice-of-life characteristics about teens in the US, though. like, veronica mars is essentially persona 4