Follow

So, while there still aren't many fascists around, shall we actually engage about Indian history? If you have questions, my friends, ask away.

@audreytruschke Very intrigued to know about work done on sexuality, particularly in the later Mughal/Maratha period. Would love finger-pointing in productive direction/recommended readings!

@anishgawande Well, there's a robust literature on the nautch girls; I'll admit, it's never really held my interest. There's some interesting discussion on the Nawabs of Lucknow, their pleasure activities, its relationship to politics, and colonial misconstrual thereof.

@audreytruschke, thanks much! Nautch girls might be a good place to start. Also construction of Nawab lifestyles.

@anishgawande @audreytruschke Oldenburg's article: Lifestyle as resistance, on Lucknow courtesans may help.

@MubarakHussenSheikh Oh, I'd say all three were pretty bloody. The third has a particularly grisly reputation. I hear Bollywood is about to come out with a film on it, although I do not have high hopes for its accuracy.

@audreytruschke Sister I wanted to know the REASONS for selecting the for all three bloody fierce battles.

@MubarakHussenSheikh Oh, well, I'm actually not entirely certain they were all fought in the same place. If memory serves, there is some uncertainty about the location of the third battle. But, anyways, the general reason is really its strategic location near Delhi.

@audreytruschke Thank God. Finally a chance a talk to you without standing with a crowd of antisemites and trolls.

I always wanted to know your opinion on the Aryan Migration theory.

@HillyBilly The AMT is backed by nearly iron-clad linguistic evidence and increasingly strong genetic evidence. In my assessment, the linguistic evidence settled this theory as correct a long time ago. More people are convinced by the genetic evidence, it seems, since science is so highly prized in contemporary culture. As research progresses, we may tweak this theory further (a good, normal think for academics to do), but the basic outline is solidly established.

@audreytruschke @HillyBilly But AMT as against AIT. Migration not invasion? Because I keep running into people who can't tell the difference, and now I'm confused.

*Raises hand* I'm finding difficult to convince my friend that we cannot go back to a Hindu-Rashtra, not because it is impractical, but because it never existed in the first place. What do you usually do to make people realise the untruth in the history put-forward by ideology?
@audreytruschke

@vishnuvaratharajan It really depends on the person.

Some people don't want to know about the past; they only want to make up stuff about the past. I have nothing to say to such people, only about them.

For those with whom there is some hope, keep asking them questions. When did this Hindu rashtra exist? Who ruled it? Who else lived in it? Why didn't anybody call themselves Hindu in it? Why is it so important for it to have existed? Does it matter if the Hindu-Rashtra in the past is a myth?

@audreytruschke your views about the latest bollywood offering 'Panipat' ?

@ChetanM I have not seen it. The trailer does not give one much hope.

@audreytruschke Has there been any recent progress in deciphering the Indus Valley script?

@ParadoxicalPari Not that I am aware of. It may not even represent a full language. (The IVC certainly had a language, or many languages, but that doesn't mean the script represents it/them, at least not in full).

@wasimsf Huge question. I don't have a clear answer; nobody does. I offer some thoughts and criticisms of major scholarly theories here: audreytruschke.com/truschke-po

@audreytruschke WOW.. thanks for the reply... A long read but I am sure its worth

@audreytruschke

Not really a history question, but one on politics : what do you think about the need to explore the dichotomy between Hinduism and Hindutva from a political-strategy point-of-view in ?

Most of the BJP's supporters conflate Hindutva with Hinduism, and IMHO, we aren't helping things by careless use of words like "bhakt".

I had mailed you on this topic as well, not sure if you got a chance to see it.

@AmitRamesan Hindutva ideologues conflate their hateful ideology with Hinduism in order to deflect criticism. That conflation is offensive to many Hindus. It is also a signal of the indefensible nature of Hindutva ideology.

I'm not sure how bhakt comes into this, however. After all, you can be a bhakta of anything, not only a god.

@audreytruschke

My understanding of the meaning of the word "bhakt" is around its religious connotation, and the "bhakt of anything" is a more-recent English-media phenomenon . You or @ranasafvi Ma'am can correct me if I am wrong here. Am reasonably confident that the voting masses use the original meaning.

So, if you accuse a religious Hindu, especially from North India , who doesn't subscribe to Hindutva, of being a "bhakt", that's err... confusing.

Guess which side she'll lean on?

@audreytruschke @ranasafvi

Were supporters of another popular Indian political leader, like Indira Gandhi or Jawaharlal Nehru, called "Indira bhakts" etc., in their time?

@audreytruschke Were there monarchs in the subcontinent who ruled with fairness and espoused socialist politics in one form or the other? How does the best of monarchs compare with the democratic leaders of the modern world?

@dearthofsid They do not compare well. If you want to judge premodern Indian kings by modern standards, really, you can stop at "premodern." That's all you need to know to condemn them by our 21st-century standards. Personally, I find that uninteresting and unenlightening, and so I choose to ask different questions about the past.

@audreytruschke Why do Bengal Delta always remain a difficult place to control for Delhi rulers?

@protyush18 Well, it's kinda far from Delhi. They did rule it from time to time.

@audreytruschke if you have to discuss Aurangzeb and Shivaji, then how would you describe Shivaji as

@ghaliblaskar Speaking casually: Shivaji was a Maratha warrior who gave Aurangzeb a real run for his money.

@audreytruschke so, since you agree that he was both a plunderer and a king, would you plz elaborate on that topic as to why you agree that he was both a plunderer and as well as a king.

@ghaliblaskar @audreytruschke I think this one is gor tomorrow. I'm following this discussion with interest

@audreytruschke am trying to find books on armed revolutionaries in bengal in 1900-1947 era. I read some fat ones back in childhood from the library, but, do not remember any name. I want to read all the amazing things they did.

@audreytruschke welcome! i was just wondering if you made your way here

@audreytruschke No it will NOT be good

All H Fascist, who were banned on Twitter, already here Mastodon en mass

Its hard luck 4 those, who think it'll be any better than Twitter. It'll be much worse. Ex Quora

Its only a matter of time, when HF will totally be Free &uncensored

Infact H Fascist can create their own unique (universe) a tight knit anonymous circle, using Mastodon servers, which wasn't possible on Twitter or any other platforms

Servers will be fully controlled by them, NOT mods

@audreytruschke were 'dalits' original inhabitants ? Origin of present day Tribals ?

@audreytruschke Could you give any examples of Hindu kings who have destroyed religious temples or mosques or Buddhist sites to establish authority. You faced some pushback on the chola kings shiva temple sacking example @ . I tend to agree with the criticism of the comparison as the king was a shiv bhakt, wasn't he? Could you elaborate here without all the abuse and noise distracting you.

I could. But, honestly, I'm weary of this subject. It's pretty old news for historians. If you're interested, read this on it: frontline.thehindu.com/static/

@audreytruschke i hope you will answer my question here. Twitter pe tou ignore hi krte ho.

@audreytruschke would you describe late mughal economic as completely feudal or proto-capitapist ?

@audreytruschke Hindutva is indeed a political project that was started by Savarkar and his ilk. But some scholars suggest that Hinduism itself was a political project which was invented in the 20th century and before that only castes existed. What's your take on this?

@suvadeep0709 I cannot know his heart, but based on his actions and statements: No. He demanded that others be theists as well and considered atheism grounds for expulsion from the imperial court.

@audreytruschke can you tell me about the Maratha invasion of Bengal , we have not read much about it in our text books

Sign in to participate in the conversation
Mastodon

Server run by the main developers of the project 🐘 It is not focused on any particular niche interest - everyone is welcome as long as you follow our code of conduct!

<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><symbol id="mastodon-svg-logo" viewBox="0 0 216.4144 232.00976"><path d="M107.86523 0C78.203984.2425 49.672422 3.4535937 33.044922 11.089844c0 0-32.97656262 14.752031-32.97656262 65.082031 0 11.525-.224375 25.306175.140625 39.919925 1.19750002 49.22 9.02375002 97.72843 54.53124962 109.77343 20.9825 5.55375 38.99711 6.71547 53.505856 5.91797 26.31125-1.45875 41.08203-9.38867 41.08203-9.38867l-.86914-19.08984s-18.80171 5.92758-39.91796 5.20508c-20.921254-.7175-43.006879-2.25516-46.390629-27.94141-.3125-2.25625-.46875-4.66938-.46875-7.20313 0 0 20.536953 5.0204 46.564449 6.21289 15.915.73001 30.8393-.93343 45.99805-2.74218 29.07-3.47125 54.38125-21.3818 57.5625-37.74805 5.0125-25.78125 4.59961-62.916015 4.59961-62.916015 0-50.33-32.97461-65.082031-32.97461-65.082031C166.80539 3.4535938 138.255.2425 108.59375 0h-.72852zM74.296875 39.326172c12.355 0 21.710234 4.749297 27.896485 14.248047l6.01367 10.080078 6.01563-10.080078c6.185-9.49875 15.54023-14.248047 27.89648-14.248047 10.6775 0 19.28156 3.753672 25.85156 11.076172 6.36875 7.3225 9.53907 17.218828 9.53907 29.673828v60.941408h-24.14454V81.869141c0-12.46875-5.24453-18.798829-15.73828-18.798829-11.6025 0-17.41797 7.508516-17.41797 22.353516v32.375002H96.207031V85.423828c0-14.845-5.815468-22.353515-17.417969-22.353516-10.49375 0-15.740234 6.330079-15.740234 18.798829v59.148439H38.904297V80.076172c0-12.455 3.171016-22.351328 9.541015-29.673828 6.568751-7.3225 15.172813-11.076172 25.851563-11.076172z" /></symbol></svg> <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><symbol id="mastodon-svg-logo-full" viewBox="0 0 713.35878 175.8678"><path d="M160.55476 105.43125c-2.4125 12.40625-21.5975 25.9825-43.63375 28.61375-11.49125 1.3725-22.80375 2.63125-34.8675 2.07875-19.73-.90375-35.2975-4.71-35.2975-4.71 0 1.92125.11875 3.75.355 5.46 2.565 19.47 19.3075 20.6375 35.16625 21.18125 16.00625.5475 30.2575-3.9475 30.2575-3.9475l.65875 14.4725s-11.19625 6.01125-31.14 7.11625c-10.99875.605-24.65375-.27625-40.56-4.485C6.99851 162.08 1.06601 125.31.15851 88-.11899 76.9225.05226 66.47625.05226 57.74125c0-38.1525 24.99625-49.335 24.99625-49.335C37.65226 2.6175 59.27976.18375 81.76351 0h.5525c22.48375.18375 44.125 2.6175 56.72875 8.40625 0 0 24.99625 11.1825 24.99625 49.335 0 0 .3125 28.1475-3.48625 47.69" fill="#3088d4"/><path d="M34.65751 48.494c0-5.55375 4.5025-10.055 10.055-10.055 5.55375 0 10.055 4.50125 10.055 10.055 0 5.5525-4.50125 10.055-10.055 10.055-5.5525 0-10.055-4.5025-10.055-10.055M178.86476 60.69975v46.195h-18.30125v-44.8375c0-9.4525-3.9775-14.24875-11.9325-14.24875-8.79375 0-13.2025 5.69125-13.2025 16.94375V89.2935h-18.19375V64.75225c0-11.2525-4.40875-16.94375-13.2025-16.94375-7.955 0-11.9325 4.79625-11.9325 14.24875v44.8375H73.79851v-46.195c0-9.44125 2.40375-16.94375 7.2325-22.495 4.98-5.55 11.50125-8.395 19.595-8.395 9.36625 0 16.45875 3.59875 21.14625 10.79875l4.56 7.6425 4.55875-7.6425c4.68875-7.2 11.78-10.79875 21.1475-10.79875 8.09375 0 14.61375 2.845 19.59375 8.395 4.82875 5.55125 7.2325 13.05375 7.2325 22.495M241.91276 83.663625c3.77625-3.99 5.595-9.015 5.595-15.075 0-6.06-1.81875-11.085-5.595-14.9275-3.63625-3.99125-8.25375-5.91125-13.84875-5.91125-5.59625 0-10.2125 1.92-13.84875 5.91125-3.6375 3.8425-5.45625 8.8675-5.45625 14.9275 0 6.06 1.81875 11.085 5.45625 15.075 3.63625 3.8425 8.2525 5.76375 13.84875 5.76375 5.595 0 10.2125-1.92125 13.84875-5.76375m5.595-52.025h18.04625v73.9h-18.04625v-8.72125c-5.455 7.2425-13.01 10.79-22.80125 10.79-9.3725 0-17.34625-3.695-24.06125-11.23375-6.57375-7.5375-9.93125-16.84875-9.93125-27.785 0-10.78875 3.3575-20.10125 9.93125-27.63875 6.715-7.5375 14.68875-11.38 24.06125-11.38 9.79125 0 17.34625 3.5475 22.80125 10.78875v-8.72zM326.26951 67.258625c5.315 3.99 7.97375 9.60625 7.83375 16.7 0 7.53875-2.65875 13.45-8.11375 17.58875-5.45625 3.99125-12.03 6.06-20.00375 6.06-14.40875 0-24.20125-5.9125-29.3775-17.58875l15.66875-9.31c2.0975 6.35375 6.71375 9.60625 13.70875 9.60625 6.43375 0 9.6525-2.07 9.6525-6.35625 0-3.10375-4.1975-5.91125-12.73-8.1275-3.21875-.8875-5.87625-1.77375-7.97375-2.51375-2.9375-1.18125-5.455-2.5125-7.55375-4.1375-5.17625-3.99-7.83375-9.3125-7.83375-16.11 0-7.2425 2.5175-13.00625 7.55375-17.145 5.17625-4.28625 11.47-6.355 19.025-6.355 12.03 0 20.84375 5.1725 26.5775 15.66625l-15.38625 8.8675c-2.23875-5.02375-6.015-7.53625-11.19125-7.53625-5.45625 0-8.11375 2.06875-8.11375 6.05875 0 3.10375 4.19625 5.91125 12.73 8.12875 6.575 1.4775 11.75 3.695 15.5275 6.50375M383.626635 49.966125h-15.8075v30.7425c0 3.695 1.4 5.91125 4.0575 6.945 1.95875.74 5.875.8875 11.75.59125v17.29375c-12.16875 1.4775-20.9825.295-26.15875-3.69625-5.175-3.8425-7.69375-10.93625-7.69375-21.13375v-30.7425h-12.17v-18.3275h12.17v-14.9275l18.045-5.76375v20.69125h15.8075v18.3275zM441.124885 83.2205c3.6375-3.84375 5.455-8.72125 5.455-14.6325 0-5.91125-1.8175-10.78875-5.455-14.63125-3.6375-3.84375-8.11375-5.76375-13.57-5.76375-5.455 0-9.93125 1.92-13.56875 5.76375-3.4975 3.99-5.31625 8.8675-5.31625 14.63125 0 5.765 1.81875 10.6425 5.31625 14.6325 3.6375 3.8425 8.11375 5.76375 13.56875 5.76375 5.45625 0 9.9325-1.92125 13.57-5.76375m-39.86875 13.15375c-7.13375-7.5375-10.63125-16.70125-10.63125-27.78625 0-10.9375 3.4975-20.1 10.63125-27.6375 7.13375-7.5375 15.9475-11.38 26.29875-11.38 10.3525 0 19.165 3.8425 26.3 11.38 7.135 7.5375 10.77125 16.84875 10.77125 27.6375 0 10.9375-3.63625 20.24875-10.77125 27.78625-7.135 7.53875-15.8075 11.2325-26.3 11.2325-10.49125 0-19.165-3.69375-26.29875-11.2325M524.92126 83.663625c3.6375-3.99 5.455-9.015 5.455-15.075 0-6.06-1.8175-11.085-5.455-14.9275-3.63625-3.99125-8.25375-5.91125-13.84875-5.91125-5.59625 0-10.2125 1.92-13.98875 5.91125-3.63625 3.8425-5.45625 8.8675-5.45625 14.9275 0 6.06 1.82 11.085 5.45625 15.075 3.77625 3.8425 8.5325 5.76375 13.98875 5.76375 5.595 0 10.2125-1.92125 13.84875-5.76375m5.455-81.585h18.04625v103.46h-18.04625v-8.72125c-5.315 7.2425-12.87 10.79-22.66125 10.79-9.3725 0-17.485-3.695-24.2-11.23375-6.575-7.5375-9.9325-16.84875-9.9325-27.785 0-10.78875 3.3575-20.10125 9.9325-27.63875 6.715-7.5375 14.8275-11.38 24.2-11.38 9.79125 0 17.34625 3.5475 22.66125 10.78875v-38.28zM611.79626 83.2205c3.63625-3.84375 5.455-8.72125 5.455-14.6325 0-5.91125-1.81875-10.78875-5.455-14.63125-3.6375-3.84375-8.11375-5.76375-13.57-5.76375-5.455 0-9.9325 1.92-13.56875 5.76375-3.49875 3.99-5.31625 8.8675-5.31625 14.63125 0 5.765 1.8175 10.6425 5.31625 14.6325 3.63625 3.8425 8.11375 5.76375 13.56875 5.76375 5.45625 0 9.9325-1.92125 13.57-5.76375m-39.86875 13.15375c-7.135-7.5375-10.63125-16.70125-10.63125-27.78625 0-10.9375 3.49625-20.1 10.63125-27.6375 7.135-7.5375 15.9475-11.38 26.29875-11.38 10.3525 0 19.165 3.8425 26.3 11.38 7.135 7.5375 10.77125 16.84875 10.77125 27.6375 0 10.9375-3.63625 20.24875-10.77125 27.78625-7.135 7.53875-15.8075 11.2325-26.3 11.2325-10.49125 0-19.16375-3.69375-26.29875-11.2325M713.35876 60.163875v45.37375h-18.04625v-43.00875c0-4.8775-1.25875-8.5725-3.77625-11.38-2.37875-2.5125-5.73625-3.84375-10.0725-3.84375-10.2125 0-15.3875 6.06-15.3875 18.3275v39.905h-18.04625v-73.89875h18.04625v8.27625c4.33625-6.94625 11.19-10.345 20.84375-10.345 7.69375 0 13.98875 2.66 18.885 8.12875 5.035 5.46875 7.55375 12.85875 7.55375 22.465"/></symbol></svg>