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The big realisation that I've kinda finally had the last couple of days:

Federation doesn't exist unless people run the software.

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@aurynn Yeah; it's like all those people saying "I'm moving off Gmail because I don't want Google to have access to my messages" and then doing the analysis of who they talk to ... and 80% of their correspondents are hosting on Gmail anyway ...

@yojimbo I moved my personal email off of gmail a long time ago, and accepting that it was a symbolic act hasn't been the easiest to deal with.

I have a lot of thoughts about how "email is federated" is completely unworkable and what that means for defensive centralisation and kinda how we should think about resisting that on Mastodon.

@aurynn If it wasn't for "spam" email might still be useful ...

The best controls on email that aren't being widely used are the ones on outbound messaging. If sites took more responsibility for what they emitted things might be different.

I think it's the active involvement of the admin that makes a difference. Benevolent dictatorship. You apply the rules you want for your community. Sadly of course, some dictators aren't benevolent, and that's where a reputation management system comes in ...

@yojimbo And that's the defensive centralisation 😞 😞 😞 😞

@aurynn It's almost like sites shouldn't share each others' blocklists ...

@yojimbo Well, there's a subset of blocklists that should be shared - things like gab, for instance - and there should be a resource for what servers you might *want* to block and why, as a community structure.

@aurynn I guess many of the issues would be with trying to agree on a taxonomy, and then assessing whether people have applied it fairly. Not an easy problem, especially when bad actors have incentives ...

@yojimbo It's situations like this where I wish more people were familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance 🙂

@aurynn Very familiar with it, sadly. Otago's Philosophy dept is very Popperian

@yojimbo I was referring more to the general People than you specifically.

One of the struggles I have is that idea of having to tolerate people who should not be tolerated, which creates intolerant spaces. I'm not about enabling that 😉

@aurynn that's exactly my feeling with Matrix. I feel matsodon has ended up far more decentralized and I think that's because people want timelines of similar interests

@xssfox I want to run a Matrix instance at some point.

And a Scuttlebutt.

Heck what am I doing

@aurynn What is scuttlebutt? Sounds like a furry thing >.>

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