When a child squirms and kicks and fights, an adult may have to restrain them so nobody gets hurt.

This is justified. However, the adult has an obligation to be as gentle as possible. If the adult were to respond by punching the child in the face, that would be abuse.

The power imbalance between Israel and Palestine is HUGE.

So no matter how you feel about Palestine kicking & screaming, it cannot justify Israel's lethal reactions.

Israel is abusive.

@HerraBRE also, the way this is reported on matters a great deal. Case in point:

@rysiek I agree.

To be clear, I mostly have sympathy for Palestine, but I don't consider myself well informed on the conflict.

My point was, even if you think Palestine are in the wrong, or even if the protests got out of hand - Israel is STILL abusive and wrong in how they react.

There are some basic ethical principles that apply and they're way, way out of line.

@HerraBRE 100% agreed. I was just extrapolating this to the media coverage.

The whole situation is a disgrace and a tragedy.

@rysiek @HerraBRE its not hard to tell the IDF that their soldiers will face trial and possible prison for murdering unarmed children.

I get that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances but that should be for a court to decide.

@stevelord @rysiek Blaming foot soldiers for this is giving the government - and the public who vote them into power - a pass they do not deserve.

This isn't exactly a new problem or a surprise.

@HerraBRE @rysiek I feel the principles developed in the Nuremburg trials should apply here. The ones who pull the trigger should face trial, but so should those giving the orders and reinforcing the system that created this massacre.

@stevelord @HerraBRE @rysiek do you seriously want to apply anti-nazi trials to those who founded Israel so they would never again be helpless against antisemites??

relativising the Shoah and turning its learnings against its victims is a common Nazi move, be careful.