@brainblasted FSE ? What is that ?
@catonano freespeechextremists
@brainblasted @catonano Co-option of the term "free speech" scares me when by those who want to be allowed themselves to speak on all platforms but who are are more than willing to threaten people who speak in ways that they believe are oppositional to their own views. So-called FSEs are not consistent, and it's ok and even good for communities to define their own boundaries.
The muddying of the waters is also dangerous because free speech is one of the few defenses against fascism we have.
@cwebber @brainblasted @catonano
> The muddying of the waters is also dangerous because free speech is one of the few defenses against fascism we have.
i share this feeling. i'm really worried both about both the co-option of rhetoric about free speech by the far right and the growing consensus on the left that the _actual valuing of freedom of expression_ is the natural attitude of nazis/fascists/etc.
long-term, this isn't going anywhere we're going to like.
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@yisraeldov i think we're generally best off with the ability of the state to suppress ideas in law / by force very constrained, as under the US first amendment.
that said, i'm perfectly happy to shut down certain classes of expression on the platforms i use and support, and have no real interest in dialog with bad actors whose ultimate goals are oppression & violence. i'm not the state, and i'm not obligated to listen to (or rebroadcast) everything.
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Ah is this what "many things become governments" mean ?
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@brennen
How does the first amendment allow for oppressing ideas? You maybe right, I just don't know.
You are right, on your own platform, you can be exposed to what ever ideas you want. I often block people or instances. That being said, we aren't going to make society better that way. We just create echo chambers for bad ideas.
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> That being said, we aren't going to make society better that way. We just create echo chambers for bad ideas.
we disagree on this point. i also have some concern about creating highly polarized silos, but banning assholes from one's platform seems to be a baseline requirement of having a platform that anyone can reasonably use.
maybe social media is, as someone recently observed, just not a long-term viable idea.
at any rate: i'm out.
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@brennen
But that means you are discriminating against people like me. I am an asshole.
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@yisraeldov in that case, i will block you now and save myself future effort. :)
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@brennen
Probably a good idea, since you said you were bowing out, but here you are conversing with someone you think should be banned
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@yisraeldov i do recognize that the division between state and private actors / platforms isn't always as clear as all that (especially in the era of megacorp social media platforms and such), and also that people of good will can feel somewhat differently about this.
this is probably a good place for me to bow out of the thread.