noir is a conservative genre that thinks that corruption can not be changed, only the heroes values can be conserved. But cyberpunk is a noir that believes that the corruption can be outwitted and undercut: by saving the self and the people you love, you are forcing the algorithms of your oppression to recognise your humanity. This is very unrealistic, but it is a hopeful genre of outsiders supplying change
@caraellison My recent rewatch made me realise how fucking queer that movie is.
@Caelyn it’s queer af. In fact it is probably modelled on 90s Camden which was queer af
@caraellison hmm, I really don't think this describes much cyberpunk at all.
Gibson Sprawl Trilogy, for instance, is very much noir and very much not about outwitting corruption.
The corruption is taken as fundamental and non-negotiable.
Gibson was trying to envision a world where nuclear war was not inevitable. In the Sprawl, the corps prevented it because it was bad for business.
Also: Shirley's Eclipse Trilogy is explicity about antifacists and Jeter's The Glass Hammer is about God intervening to overthrow capitalism. I'm not sure what that says about your thesis tho.
@natecull I think you are wrong and cyberpunk is a subset of noir that recognises humanity but w/e
This concludes my lecture on the movie ‘Hackers’