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Catonano @catonano

I'm a cisgender white male.

But I'm not a coder, not in the classical sense of the term

So I feel the entitlement of the white male coder vividly that this article describes

medium.com/@cassolotl/i-left-m

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@catonano this is an important blogpost, and I say this as a cisgender white male.

@catonano a distributed social messaging system should not depend on a monolithic codebase. Ultimately, we are back at the original issue that provoked the free software movement - developers should not control the users through their programs.

Has the person considered paying someone to change Mastodon in the way they would like it to be changed, since they cannot code themselves? They could instantiate that forked version.

@catonano additionally, I disbelieve that there are no other people in the same situation who are able to associate and either pay someone for modifying Mastodon to suit their needs or make that change themselves. The issue of online trolls (for any definition of "troll") has been long debated and there must be other people who are willing and/or able to help fixing that issue.

@catonano

@cassolotl If you're still around, maybe you could find my insight useful about your Mastodon-leaving post. Feel free to poke me for chat, too.

@phoe @catonano Check my timeline for a follow-up post I made about privilege and paying for coders to work on FOSS for you and stuff.

@cassolotl @catonano

> It is therefore safer for marginalised people to use centralised software under large companies that are accountable to the law.

From what I have seen, Mastodon markets itself as a network that is much more immune to data mining than centralized networks.

Which, adding this to your blogpost arguments, just screws the marginalised people further, if you put it that way, because they have no choice but to be mined by these companies. Hm.

@cassolotl @catonano

That's an insightful pair of posts. I'll think about them and maybe produce a blogpost response; if not, I'll just post things on Mastodon.

@cassolotl @catonano

Basically, if you are already marginalized, then the only way in which you may be un-marginalized is the conscious choice of the marginalizing party. If you are unable to code, have no time and have no money, then you are completely screwed under capitalistic laws.

@cassolotl @catonano Nation-wide social programs provide some means of living for people who have been screwed up by life that way; I just thought of a program that would be analogous, except for programming projects.

Now that I think of it, it sounds logical. Digital life is becoming more and more important for us; it only makes sense that people recognize this and put proper attention on that - and by attention, I mean concrete funds and an ability to vote on what's required to be done.

@cassolotl @catonano

Thanks for these posts - they've been insightful to me. I'll think wider of what and how I code when I work on my own free software projects thanks to them.

@catonano I read only the first section or so. then I had to stop because it's all over again. I'm sick of it. hating on Gargron. I'm sorry but it seems to me some are just looking to torment people with neverending criticism.

@steckerhalter

I disagree

the agument is not about Gargron

It's about themselves and how they are being disregarded

Since when claiming disregard or power imbalance is "drama" ?

It's as if to say that worers on strie are posing a drama becase they hate their employer

Sorry. It's not

@catonano @steckerhalter As I see it a lot of the issues seem also to be rooted miscommunication, if one assumes good faith for all parties involved.

It makes me wonder whether this whole 'ticket' driven development and the voting mentality does not help:

a) creating a common understanding, especially when the cultural background differs
b) does not scale well then there is just a couple of 'endpoints', i.e. developers attending requests.

Of course this does not excuse people from misbehaving

@ckeen good points, I'd say we are witnessing a novelty. is the first successful social network that uses ticket driven development. the future of the software is intensively discussed both on GH and on mastodon itself. looks like it doesn't work out well @catonano

@catonano no, I agree, it's not. but it's a good analogy because it shows the difference. when workers go on strike it's a serious matter. it's about people's income and existence. but what goes on here is taken far too seriously when in fact it's shouldn't be so. people get emotional and insult each other like if trending hashtags would be a serious matter , or because Gargron is not doing what they want him to do. it's just not right. to make a drama for these kind of things.

@catonano it's just an article. no quotes nothing. how am I to judge? but the whole thing is framed in a way to provoke people: "I spoke out on Twitter in support of transgender people being able to arm ourselves in self-defense" it's almost clear how this will develop (especially on twitter).

@steckerhalter

Exactly

Gargron is reproducing features that allow the same shit to happen also on mastodon

transgender people complained

it seems pretty seroius to me

A matter of life or death, in some cases

But for you it's a whim. not serious

It's just an article and it tells what ot had to tell

what did you want ? Actual blood ?

@steckerhalter

you are being very dismissive of a very sore point

This is really really disappointing

@catonano no, that's not what I meant. I don't just take an article where someone claims something as truth. anybody can claim all sorts of things. so I'd like to see what the guy wrote and so on (quotes). and I observed that he started the whole thing with a serious provocation.

@steckerhalter

the article is just an example

you are denying the existence of discrimination against transgender people

stubbornly

and it's from the New York Times, anywy, the ydon't need *you* to verify

do you wan to go any lower ?

@catonano and I'm not denying the existence of discrimination against transgender people. where do you get that from?

@steckerhalter

you literally wrote that the concers about gargrron were not serious

the concerns to gargron were also from transgender people worried that the features that he is implementing allow abuse against them

They know because they were abused on twitter !

and he doesn't give a shit and implements them anyway, enabling potential abuse

I linked the article but you refused to read it because it was "drama""

@steckerhalter

you expect people to explain the things to you when and how you are ready to receive them !

I am so disappointed !

@catonano I know nothing about this. yeah, I didn't want to read it because it's full of negative emotions. to read things like that is not good for me.

@steckerhalter

thhen you should have the decency to refrain to state that other people concerns are not serious !

@catonano pff this all blows up in one's face. I see the issue now. people assume you know something. but in fact you don't know it. so they take a person's statement and make it to mean something else than it meant for the person that wrote it. and all this unfortunate stuff happens. it's just a misunderstanding. but I get it know. I must say that it make me a bit sad.

@steckerhalter

ok

I'm glad it's a misunderstanding and nothing worse

I'm a bit touchy these days

sorry