It's a real shame that Reddit seems to care this little about the community that rather than making an effort to talk to developers and moderators and apologize for how this was handled, they'd rather just wall themselves off and and dare users to keep going. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman
No one is asking Reddit for the moon and the stars, just to listen to small changes.
Even Twitch, which made horrendous moves this month, recognized that the community is what gives their company any value at all, and responded in some capacity to make their users feel heard.
I guess the difference is that Twitch creators can jump ship to YouTube or the like and take a lot of money with them, while the value of Reddit users is alot more abstract.
@kylemsguy Are there any reddit alternatives? There's plenty of livestreaming platforms
@rexfeng @kylemsguy fedia.io is trying to take advantage of the opportunity
@DeepSpaceFine @rexfeng @kylemsguy is there a difference in kbin and fedia.io or is it the same content due to the "fediverse" only trying to learn
@cities @DeepSpaceFine @rexfeng @kylemsguy Fedia is instance of kbin. It's the same content as on all kbin servers. And not even only kbin, but you can interact with that content and users srraight from Mastodon due to fediverse.
@rexfeng @kylemsguy #kbin ! kbin is an open source decentralized redditish platform. https://kbin.social is the "official" instance.
@capra @rexfeng @kylemsguy Can you link your k.bin and mastadon accounts? I'm still figuring this all out -___-'
@rexfeng @kylemsguy Both kbin and Lemmy
@warling @rexfeng @kylemsguy And in addition, it’s not an either/or choice. They’re both written to ActivityPub, so they interoperate.
@rexfeng @kylemsguy Can't Mastodon be the Reddit alternative?
@gkdiva @rexfeng @kylemsguy mastodon is a twitter alternative?
@gkdiva @rexfeng @kylemsguy yeah I wish it was, the layout is more twitter though right, not as nice for content in my opinion. Still looking for the replacement though.
@AlpacaKing
To be brunt, you'll probably won't find it. Twitter was a unique experience (well, still is, just the wrong(-er) way). Mastodon, and Fediverse overall, are built about different philosophies at the core.
For Twitter it is profit and you are the product. For Fedi it's being open, in multitude of ways, and having a moderation.
@AlpacaKing @gkdiva @rexfeng @kylemsguy on Reddit you subscribe to topics and see content related to the topic by users. On Twitter you subscribe to people and see variyes content based on the whims of the person. Topic vs personality.
@LukeTheYeti @AlpacaKing @gkdiva @rexfeng @kylemsguy
Explains why I hate Twiddle. Even before its Muskification.
ArmUkraine@gkdiva @rexfeng @kylemsguy #lemmy and #kbin are far better suited as a Reddit replacement. The improvements are coming quickly! #fediverse ftw
@runedancetwo Just Lemmy so far!
@runedancetwo @Grant_M I've been using #kbin for the past few days and I enjoy it so far. Good times with some good people!
I think about 100,000 redittors have joined mastodon fediverse etc al. As of yesterday morning.
@rexfeng @kylemsguy Lemmy or kbin 
I think kbin.social is the current best choice for an alterantive. It has a compact mode that works exactly like old Reddit and is federated.
@rexfeng @kylemsguy At the risk of sounding really out of date, my immediate thought was InvisionFree boards...though from what I can tell, they went through a Geocities-like migration to another forums platform?
Either way, while it might not be an 100% great replacement, I'm pretty sure free forum hosting/software still exists that could be spun up to take on at least individual Reddit communities. Migration might be difficult, but...
@rexfeng
Try Lemmy. A lot of activity lately and a great platform. Couldn't recommend enough.
@kylemsguy
@christianselig would you have agreed with a free api that serves advertisement posts too? I’d still very much be using apollo even if it served ad posts in between normal posts
@WaterSword @christianselig certainly can have adds that don’t try and trick the user or muddy up the experience
@WaterSword @christianselig I'd have been absolutely fine with that for Sync for Reddit 
@WaterSword @christianselig This came up when the Verge interviewed him! https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759180/reddit-protest-private-apollo-christian-selig-subreddit
"I prefer not to have ads, and I don’t mind paying for an ad-free experience — but if that was the only way to survive going forward, like that’s something I also would have entertained”
I think the right answer would have been that the api only works with logged in users who have reddit gold or something. It's one of the features for paying for the service. i think they'd get TONS of subscriptions.
@christianselig I’ve never seen a CEO of a community-based business so delusional on what their success is built on. We’ll continue to fight.
@monokai @christianselig does it even make sense to fight? #reddit is a platform run by a private business, and the business decided to alienate themselves with the most active part of the community. There's no way back, and the most passionate moderators will just shut the doors and leave.
@bonkers @monokai @christianselig Yeah, we all had a good ride on Reddit while VCs were subsidizing it, now they’re going to monetize it (and make it a less interesting and less dynamic platform). Time to delete accounts, move on and find something new. Everything fades, Reddit included.
@DenverComicGuy @monokai @christianselig well it has to be sustainable, so it has to earn money. But there are ways to do it together with the community without destroying it.
@bonkers @monokai @christianselig and building a sustainable positive community will have to be done off Reddit. The major platforms have lived too long on VC money, the owners need a return and it will come at the expense of the users.
FYI this convo is happening on an open source non profit platform, so not every platform needs to make a profit (but I agree, they do need some form of sustainable funding model(
@DenverComicGuy @monokai @christianselig
Just as we speak, home.socal is closing down for undisclosed reasons, but I suspect it's because of financial burden and tons of unpaid work.
@DenverComicGuy @monokai @christianselig
My point is, #reddit had a good chance to stay alive and sustainable, which means profitable, if the CEO actually cared about people.
@monokai @christianselig I mean, Elon ? lol
@christianselig For once, Twitch did something moderately commendable. Spez is a POS and I wouldn’t expect anything like that from him.
@christianselig Twitch knew everyone would leave and meant it. Now they are attacking their own Mods, and App developers. Let’s not forget Spez thinking you are stupid by saying you blackmailed them, and then doubling down. If he had any accountability, his ass would be fired for that.
Thank you for always being honest and transparent on these issues. Long time beta user here who is deleting my account and no longer using reddit. Fuck that company and Spez for that BS.
@christianselig Imagine being shown up on community communication by Twitch.tv, well-known for absolutely ramfucking creators on its site
@christianselig I’m really impressed with how your community has rallied to you. You work clearly has made a big difference.
@sanguish @christianselig I think this goes beyond Apolo. There are lots of 3rd party apps in the same situation. But the huge user base of Apolo certainly helped move a critical mass in this 'protest'
@sanguish @christianselig Honestly, Apollo was the only reason I stayed on Reddit as long as I did. I would have left long ago, otherwise. I know I'm not alone in that.
@christianselig Twitch is owned by Amazon. As YouTube is Google. I think it’s why these two platforms in particular navigate controversy quite well. They have actual grown ups at the table.
@christianselig I love that Apollo doesn't have ads, but during all of you chats with Reddit, did they ever suggest that the API could stay free if third party apps served inline ads to non-Premium members? Just curious!
@christianselig It's all about the money. Why change if they think they'll make more on the current course?
So poorly handled on all fronts and clearly motivated by greed. All well. Onto the Fediverse.
@Gur814 @christianselig It's not even about money. If they just wanted to earn money negotiating with third party developers for a solution that serves ads and/or has a reasonable pricing would lock in a steady income from each third party app user. It's about control and locking down users to their client because they think that their value is in the user data, and not in their API.
@axelshooter63 Right. Which they believe will make them more money compared to fairly monetizing 3rd party apps.
Locking down and controlling user data = more money in Reddit's eyes.
@christianselig Thanks for fighting the good fight. Apollo was/is my most used app and I’ll be very sad to have to retire it.
I won’t be using their client.
@christianselig
Reddit is part of the entertainment conglomerate, Condé Nast, which is turn owned by Advance Communications ($2.4B revenue in 2022).
(I’ve never understood the 2006 purchase.)
It’s still operated by the founders (2005), which is amazing. Who knows what pressures corporate are exerting?
EDIT: I did know about the IPO. 
@christianselig I’m gonna say the same thing as most replies here but Reddit knows outrage is short lived and people need social media. Unless FB builds a Reddit clone.
@yasharma
> Reddit knows outrage is short lived and people need social media. Unless FB builds a Reddit clone
A lot of subReddit communities are not just outraged, they've moved. Many of them to fediverse servers running forum apps like Lemmy and KBin. Probably for good, because unlike with Titter, when you move as a *community*, there's much less temptation to drift back.
@yasharma
Discourse is also rolling out ActivityPub support, which will give them a more mature forum UI connected to the fediverse. I believe Flarum is working on AP support too.
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/17748-federated-flarum-activitypub
@christianselig They listened because it's well-known they have serious competition and they couldn't ensure they'd be profitable going with this long term.
I imagine everything YouTube's been doing recently, even as of today may have gotten out to someone over at Amazon ahead of time, and going ahead with that would've been bad biz.