Fediverse: "Google is a monopoly and should be broken up!"
Google: "It has come to our attention that certain apps are being used for hate speech"
@cjd I don't think this is related.
It's more likely that someone reported all non-Gab-blocking fedi apps and then someone at Google without understanding of the context decided to block them.
@wolf480pl @cjd We have no evidence that this is related to Gab, anyway. Focusing on Gab is burying the lede, because there are plenty of spaces on the fediverse that could have caused such reports. The fediverse is a vast, diverse space where anyone can spin up a new server at any moment. Trying to make a client app responsible for moderating all of it is ridiculous.
@wolf480pl @cjd The reason that it is possible to keep a Mastodon server safe from the vile parts of the fediverse is that the way it operates doesn't make you interact with the whole network at once. You get away with not preemptively blocking every single bad place because chances are high you will never come in contact with them. And when it happens the reports system allows responding to new threats dynamically.
Definitely agree with that. Moreover, I think software serve the user, even if the user wants something the dev considers bad.
But then, do you think someone reported all of those apps at the same time after randomly stumbling upon offensive content when using fedi?
Or is it more likely this was someone with an axe to grind against people with a different ideology?
@wolf480pl @cjd Back in 2019 I suggested blocking Gab because Gab has just had their own app banned from the Play Store and their move to the Mastodon API was a plan to circumvent that ban. In my view the risk was high of Mastodon apps getting swept up in that ban circumvention and I would not have liked arguing my points in favour of Gab.
@wolf480pl @cjd I don't think I care how it came to be. It was the elephant in the room all along because similar things have happened to feed readers and podcast players. I think it is important that Play Store rules are changed so that apps that work by letting the user configure where to connect to are not held responsible for user-generated content, period.
@Gargron @cjd Yes, that is the bigger problem here.
Even if Google had no ill will in blocking those clients, its policies - assuming they indeed require server-agnostic apps to moderate content - are misguided at best. It would be good if we persuaded Google to change them.
One way to do it I think is to report Google Chrome as violating the same policies. I don't know if it's a good way, but it sounds fun and it's the only one I can think of.
@cjd Took 'em long enough.
Why do we need apps when everything has to be responsive these days?
#GOOGLE BLOQUEA LAS CUENTAS DE LOS MEDIOS PÚBLICOS CUBANOS
El pasado 20 de agosto, la corporación estadounidense Google bloqueó las cuentas de la casa editorial cubana Granma y de las importantes cadenas de noticias Mesa Redonda y Cubavisión Internacional por un supuesta infracción de la Ley de Exportación de EEUU, un obvio pretexto para bloquear.
La empresa estadounidense, como suele hacer, no consideró necesario en absoluto presentar explicaciones algunas de su decisión. Este presuntuoso bloqueo reviste un carácter marcadamente restrictivo y viola los principios democráticos generales limitando la libertad de acceso a la información y de difusión de la misma. El gigante tecnológico lo hizo aposta.
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