@kensanata I guess my point is: Once you have a decentrally federated network, where all peers are equal, there's no way to delete anything. It might be possible to have an encryption scheme where you give up the key to achieve plausible denialability like OTR does but that's not the same thing...
@ckeen @kensanata ive been following this thread and thinking about this topic quite a bit lately, so i'll hope you wont mind me jumping in here.
i'm still not sure how i feel about ssb's "undeletable" nature, but i dont think this is true. you cannot necessarily force someone to delete content on a p2p network, but you can ask people to delete content. the nature of this request may be subject to ux, but its still possible. afaik ssb *cannot* work like this.
@0x3F @kensanata Why do you think so? While it is true that the feed is a signed append only ledger, clients are free to drop blobs and ignore messages as they see fit.
So yes, you cannot make it go away from your feed, but you can make it disappear for the users.
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@ckeen @0x3F @kensanata don't you need a complete feed to verify that the posts are authentic in SSB?
@zatnosk @0x3F @kensanata No, every feed is signed by the athor. the feed chain is used to determine that you didn't miss any messages.
@zatnosk @0x3F @kensanata Sorry, every *message* of a feed
@ckeen @zatnosk @kensanata hmm, i must've been mistaken about ssb then. though deleting goes against philosophies of ssb. but then it is possible for a p2p network to request deletion of files/posts.
why do you think we can't/shouldn't have that? (if you do) or is requesting different from being able to delete posts?
@0x3F @zatnosk @kensanata Kensanata and I agree on the point that there should be a way to deal with unwanted posts. Kensanata says there should be a way to delete posts. I say this is technically impossible but you can ask peers to pretend a post has been deleted.
Whether that's sufficient? In practise maybe?
@0x3F @zatnosk @kensanata Note: this does not work in current #scuttlebutt but is under discussion.
@ckeen @zatnosk @kensanata ahhh i see. then yes i agree with you, it's technically impossible to delete data on other people's computers -- unless you implement something very unethical like drm, which is undesirable.
its good to know it's under discussion for ssb! do you have a link to the discussion page?