The account of the Assam Police has been suspend from this instance.
We decided that we will not welcome cops on this instance, and we encourage the rest of the fediverse to do the same.
Following multiple reports, we decided that it's more important that our community feels safe and in security, than to be a platform for official communication.
Thank you !
@cm_kropot wow. That's an interesting approach. And I think I understand why you are doing this.
The moment officials and government functionaries start coming here and tooting stuff, they'll automatically become the 'elites' in this instance.
I can't speak for the mods, but I suspect the issue is more that they don't want the presence of police to have a chilling effect on speech. Police are very often at the sharp end of structural violence in any country.
However, cancelling police accounts may create a false sense of security. The police can still read your posts. They can still subpoena your mods. However, at least they're preventing from stirring up trouble.
my experience from moderating a forum globally with popular ravers in the 90s/00s is discouraging overt cops works in the short term but (unsurprisingly) they switch to detective methods to glean info, often co-operating with journalists and agencies (often across borders), and it was still up to "normal" users not to blatantly incriminate themselves.
OTOH US corporate socnets welcome cops as "free moderators" so officers get a sense of entitlement to these spaces..
PS: that should have read "/other/ agencies" - eg: someone boasts in English about selling drugs online, detectives of the Gendarmerie of France see the post, and notify Police Scotland where the poster happens to be based (things like this have definitely happened, and all of that can be done without alerting the moderators or site admins as its merely making use of information that got posted on the public areas of the forum)
@cm_kropot wow. That’s a principled position and important especially after Rana Ayoub was targeted by the Amethi police department twitter account for talking about her own feeling as a minority in the wake of the Babri Masjid terrorist attack. https://twitter.com/ranaayyub/status/1192864091368558596?s=21
@cm_kropot Let them run their own server. Like police.social, so we can block those. acab.social is also a good name btw 😉
@cm_kropot should there be a middle ground?
I mean maybe some people want to get PSAs directly from the offical source here on mastodon?
@cm_kropot good call! Many police accounts have been found threatening people on the birdsite who were simply practising free speech as it should be, nicely. Not breaking any laws.
While they decided to completely ignore rape and murder threats. Makes you wonder who's side are they on.
@cm_kropot Do you admit people here based on your own whim and fancy? I believe you have a code of conduct and as long as people are compliant with that, you should not ban them, they have a right to free speech here.
This decision is so opaque - who are the people who "feel unsafe" just because police have a presence here? How many reports have you got? If I am uncomfortable with somebody, can you ban them too?
In any case how is banning effective? What is the intent?
Police in general and Justice system particular do not instill trust in most people. Go to a police station ever and you will know what I am talking about. It’s quite natural for people to feel unsafe in their presence. I know it’s quite a travesty that those that are supposed to protect you instill no trust, but that’s the reality. I get your point, but at these dire times I would side with the admins.
@navneetmathur @cm_kropot Banning their official account from an open network is not going to solve any of those problems in the least. They can carry on their more nefarious activities under cover if required anyway. This ban only serves to illustrate a knee jerk reaction, goes against fediverse practice where somebody is banned only for CoC violation and not on a feel or whim, goes against free speech and is opaque without any upfront policies on this. This is worse than banana republic.
@cm_kropot so, now you put cops next to nazis, right? The discrimination level of mastodon.social is increasing.
@Groosha @cm_kropot This was never about an "open garden". It was about "my open garden". Govt/police should have their own instance anyway (imo). But then these instances may choose not to federate with them. I think all this is fine. It gets murky when we play "all X are equal, but some X are more equal than others".
@cm_kropot Thank you, all cops are bastards. They're definitely here for surveillance purposes and the supposed tweet about cyber security was just a smokescreen.
> and we encourage the rest of the fediverse to do the same
Sorry ? As an admin of my own instance, I really feel uncomfortable about this sentence.
Server run by the main developers of the project It is not focused on any particular niche interest - everyone is welcome as long as you follow our code of conduct!