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Why is the business suit still a thing? And it's Summer. It's too damn hot to wear a tie

r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖 @cypnk

No one here likes to wear a tie. Everyone is just itching to loosen it and get to the iced coffee and doughnuts

It's like we've ritualized discomfort in the name of professionalism, only to splurge when the timer runs out on how long we can listen to Bobby go on about forecasts

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@cypnk
I wonder if it's costly signalling:
"I am willing to be THIS uncomfortable in exchange for my wage, and therefore, I must have company loyalty."

@enkiv2 But even the higher ups are wearing a tie. It's all completely daft

@cypnk
Generally speaking, the subject of a signal is the concept of the group while the target is the entire group.

In other words, we kowtow to the company logo while making sure our coworkers are watching.

@loke I'm here as an outside contractor for disaster recovery planning and some programming consultation

@cypnk I see. As a developer you need to be fully concentrated, meaning that unnecessary discomforts such as ties shouldn't be needed.

For the planning parts, isn't it acceptable to just wear a button-down shirt? Is a tie needed?

@loke That's my normal attire, but this isn't a typical tech place

It's an older company with a very traditional culture. They've only recently embraced their web presence too. I looked over to the office area before getting to the conference and none of the men here are without a tie

@cypnk reminds me of the Wayside School book where one of the characters wears a tie to school, and gradually tightens it because his classmates complement the way it looks as it gets tighter and cuts off his air.

For me, I like ties, but no one expects a woman to wear one, so it's 100% optional