The future as envisioned in 1967
looks like it was shot on film and could well be a comopt (combined optical) soundtrack, this is almost like an analogue version of todays DAWs (if you were to look at the film with a magnifier you would see the waveforms), I'd expect it to sound clipped like that if the optical track was added at a high level (which may be done to raise it above what could be a relatively heavy noise floor especially if the film was dusty/scratched)
@jy4m There were a bunch of these produced at the time, but the closest title that comes to mind is "Year 1999 AD". I can't be sure if that's what this specific clip is from though
Well, he who has access to information controls the game. This is very dangerous. I think both your country and mine have never trusted the government completely. We do so for good reason. Here we have a mechanism that could be abused. Here we have a mechanism that would allow the creation of a dictator. . .
I've yet to see an expression by anyone in Congress about this new type of danger. In fact, we see proposals for centralizing information, we see proposals for rushing ahead into new, more efficient computer information systems, and very little thought is being given to the dangers of the misuse of these systems. . . I ask a lot of people about privacy, why they valued it, and I was surprised by the number of people who said "Well, I don't do anything wrong. Why should I worry about privacy?" And then, on the other hand, I think there's a more wise group that says, 'Privacy is really the right to be wrong, then go on and live the rest of your life, without having it mark you forever.' I tend to think this latter view is the view we should hold.
-- Paul Baran, creator of packet-switched networks, 1966
(At 30m50s min the clip.)
@dredmorbius The most remarkable thing about this documentary is how restrained it was. The timeline is a bit off, and so was the degree of net benefit to society predicted, but a lot of this already is here
Paul's concerns happened within a few years of this quote. Starting with redlining of loans for certain communities using demographic data and ending with "the right to be wrong"
@cypnk Baran wrote pretty extensively on the topics of privacy, surveillance, manipulation, and coercion, at RAND, in the 1960s:
Also Willis Ware:
Weird that no one in the house makes eye contact with other inhabitants. It's almost as if Casey Kasem's voiceover is leaving out how long they've all been trapped in the bunker together.
@RussSharek They were all but puppets for the Panopticon of Expo '67 (or at least it was around that same time)
There's an interesting thought: Actors hired to portray these sorts of lives had no idea what they were like back then. Contrast them to video of people "using technology" today and it by definition seems so much more grounded in what passes for reality because those people have experience with the concept of virtual space, UIs, etc.
@cypnk bro, a world where keybindings are king, cli-based software is still used and no mouse needed even for gui apps? Sign me in!
@cypnk The computers and internet works only correct with a accurate background music with bass-guitar and flute. 😉 😅
@river The original seems to have been lost to time, I'm afraid, and I don't have the title or production details. This was part of many such films made between the 50s - 70s
Another documentary that's better known, produced around the same time, is called "Year 1999 A D" and it's on Archive.org and YouTube
@natacha I don't have the original source or the title, unfortunately. This was part of many such films made around the same time so there are a lot of similarities. Archive.org and YouTube have some of these in collections
@cypnk Thanks, I never saw things like that so precise about e-stuff this early in time, if you have any reference would be great.
@cypnk Also the curiosity about it, is its complete abstraction, they don't seem to think one minut about the systems behind the machine, I mean no mention of social organisation, banks commercial structures etc..
And obviously this goes without saying extreme conformity of the white family model.
@natacha If I took these any more seriously, I'd be upset as a south asian person
When it comes to films like this, I only ever look at it from the perspective of the time in which it was made. It's an interesting historical artifact with some uncanny predictions, but nothing more. It's meant to entertain as much as inform and it's designed for the audience expected to benefit from such a society
@cypnk Yes I agree, "designed for those expected to benefit from such a society". This is what I find questioning, this early idea that technological system would confort dominant social model.
And the confidence in the system, to the point that there is no need to explain how it will happen, along which social structures.
These type of documents are part of a process of how we think our systems, and what is unsaid is as informing as what is expressed, the later is indeed uncanny.
@AMoonRabbit Probably the same keyboard key switches as the DataPoint 3300 which came out around the same time as this
@cypnk Not too far off. I'm impressed.
This turned into a fun thread too.
[I'll watch the whole documentary a little later.]
@cypnk The voice-over at the end sounds like Casey Kasem.
But man, they predicted dual screens, online shopping, multi-user apps in a video call, etc. With what looks like a C64. 😆
@CarlCravens They got it pretty close. The voice does sound like Casey, but I don't think it's him. He did do some narration, but Scooby-Doo came out in '69 so a couple of years after this
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