@priryo It's strictly a preemptive PR tactic and it does get very tiresome

As always, the app you can truly trust with your contacts is the one that doesn't have access to it in the first place

@cypnk @priryo Signal does have access to your contacts, doesn't it?

@loke @priryo They're apparently not storing the contacts https://www.wired.com/story/signal-contact-lists-private-secure-enclave/

But of course, we just have their word for it

@cypnk signal also is linked to your phone number...
Actual (I know that may change quite often...) I am testing #wire open source code, account can be linked to email instead of phone. you may share your contacts (I don't).
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@cypnk @priryo @loke I remember when a friend installed Signal and let it send invites by text. I had to inform him it was a group text with all his contacts in that group. Fortunately he kept furries/furry-friendly people and (very religious) family in separate groups, so it didn't do the damage it could have done.

@Riley @cypnk @priryo can other people see the other recipients for group SMS?

@loke @cypnk @priryo I could see all their phone numbers in a list.

@afterconnery At this point, I don't think they really care about scandals at all. They have 2 billion monthly users as of last year https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/27/facebook-2-billion-users/

That kind of market capture essentially means they can do whatever they want as long as users stay around

@feld Second to last paragraph and the one before have these two worrying sentences that make me believe the execs won out:

"Facebook executives wanted to make it easier for businesses to use its tools, and WhatsApp executives believed that doing so would require some weakening of its encryption.

Ultimately, Koum was worn down by the differences in approach"

To me that feels like a tacit admission that encryption is already weakened

@feld I hope so. Honestly, it's hard for these kinds of projects to go anywhere without any kind of major funding. Besides, I think it was just a handful of people behind OWS

@vaartis It is, but it’s a shame since so many people already know and use WhatsApp. It’s hard to get people to try new things

@starbreaker Those pesky humans with integrity. Luckily, they’ve been demoralized enough to leave so the pillaging will commence soon

@rysiek Pot, meet kettle :P

@cypnk I find it quaint that Zuck talks about "taking power from centralized systems and putting it back in people's hands".

I mean. Wat.

@rysiek @cypnk I'm starting to think that the NSA is a bunch of blundering amateurs compared to FB.

@willtochaos @rysiek @cypnk I heard a comment on risky.biz that shortly after the Snowden revelations someone at the NSA had said that if they could do 1/10 of what Google can do there'd be no more terrorism.

To that I'd like to add: and no more dissent.

@rysiek @cypnk No, he talks about the power of encryption to do that. The value that will always be part of WhatsApp is never allowing encryption to do that.