If you were looking to write the perfect *non-technical* book on decentralisation, what would you include? 🤔

(boosts appreciated!)

@dajbelshaw @therealraccoon
Economic networks. If the co-ops are not federated, do they count?

@bhaugen @therealraccoon Well there's an interesting chapter in itself - federation vs/and decentralisation 🙂

@dajbelshaw
What I meant was a cooperative by itself is not necessarily decentralized. Many are centralized.
A network of cooperatives might be centralized as-a-network even though each of the co-ops are themselves centralized.
For example, I know several farmer co-ops where the farmers are decentralized (individual farms) but their cooperative is an aggregator and distributor of the farmers' produce.
Likewise a platform co-op is centralized.
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@dajbelshaw
Typo alert: That should have said, A network of cooperatives might be *decentralized* as-a-network even though each of the co-ops are themselves centralized.

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@bhaugen @dajbelshaw I'd say it depends on their particular structures.
If you have lots of worker-owned agricultural projects that are not part of a centralized distribution system, it's a case of decentralization whether they are federated or not.
In that case, federation would be a way to scale horizontally in a sustainable way and not just have para-structures that might lack resilience.

@therealraccoon
I agree. The fediverse, for example, is mostly made up of multi-user instances like social.coop, but I also have a single-user instance that is also federated with social.coop.
Likewise, SSB, which thinks of itself as the ultimate in decentralization, is also a network of people that are interconnected. They don't want to call it federation, but what's the essential diff between SSB users and me as a single-user fediverse instance?

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@dajbelshaw
Hi Doug, hope all is well. Any updates on #moodlenet I have been unable to login with the login I had from #beta any chance of a readd?

@dajbelshaw
WoW. shocked am I.
@mayel are you guyz still working together? #commonspub
& what remains open??

@adinfinitum @mayel I'm still in touch with the team but working on other stuff now. Check out commonspub.org 🙂

@dajbelshaw @adinfinitum@activism.openworlds.info yeah, the website is woefully out of date as there's a lot going on in different repos and branches. It's heading towards a decentralised ecosystem of modular/extensible apps. More public updates soon hopefully!

@dajbelshaw

Multitude as described by Negri and Hardt, plays in pretty well to the fediverse.

@dajbelshaw
A treasure map, the French underground (resistance movement) of WW2,

@dajbelshaw
As far as I understand, there was no central control, it's was local groups who used "gorilla" tactics to disrupt the enemy. Info was passed around for larger more coordinated efforts & for safety. The reason is that the enemy couldn't "chop off the head" because there wasn't one! & If one was captured they could only give limited info - need to know kind of thing.

@dajbelshaw
It's a principal thing that can be repurposed, from enemy disruption to internet disruption!

@dajbelshaw talk about the commons, a sheep field is a good example, to illustrate the difference between decentralized organization vs individual pursuits.

@dajbelshaw id just make a murray bookchin reader and call it a day :)

@decentral1se Yep, good shout, although I don't think Bookchin covers *all* the things that you'd want to put into such a book - does he?

@dajbelshaw nah but he does certainly help set up the guard rails to avoid all sorts of ideological slippage, otherwise you might end up with something like the attached image :)

@dajbelshaw I'd include decentralization of wind and solar power.
buzzn.net is an example from Germany. The distribution is administered centrally, but the producer-consumer relations are decentralized.
(If something like buzzn were co-owned by all the producers and consumers involved, now that'd be awesome!)

Also decentralized sewage treatment systems, e.g. for hospitals or rural areas.

Or would that be too "technical"?

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