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The inventor of SuperCollider is dabbling with a secret new programming language for "sound as pure form" soundcloud.com/soundaspureform (see about-box for info) "This language is still very experimental and is not available."

@danstowell

The uploads started 5 years ago, last one is from 2 years ago. Is he writing anywhere about progress, features and other related things?

"The language is mostly functional, stack based and uses postfix notation similar to FORTH"
That's exciting :D CC: @cmos4040

@danstowell Is he still at Apple? I recall he open-sourced SuperCollider when they hired him to develop AudioUnits

@acb @danstowell James McCartney has left Apple a while ago. I haven't heard any specific comments about a roadmap or schedule for SAPF, though.

@sciss @acb @danstowell He gave a SC Symposium keynote a few years ago which discussed the language he was working on at the time and included code examples. Technically, of course, it belonged to Apple. IF this is something new then, that's good. Partially because the one he showed was not something I'd ever want to use - and was possibly designed to not be appealing to Apple.

@celesteh @acb @danstowell are you saying any code he wrote while employed by Apple, even if done in his private time, is owned by Apple? SAPF is definitely from that time.

@sciss @acb @danstowell Yes. Apple owns the code, unless he specifically negotiated otherwise with them. This is why he quit contributing to the main SC project - he couldn't write GPLed code for it.

If he was hired for filesystems or something, he could claim it was not related to his job and was his sole property, but as he was working on core audio...

The thing he showed at the symposium was /really/ esoteric and it's possible Apple said they don't want it.

@sciss @acb @danstowell (My co-workers used to mock me when I said programmers in silicon valley should unionise. They all thought they'd get rich off stock options and weren't interested...)

@sciss @acb @danstowell This is maybe boring, but there's no such thing as 'free time' for what's called an 'exempt employee' under labour laws. They don't claim hours, they just get a salary. Which means they don't get overtime and aren't 'off the clock' if they're working on related ideas at home.

Disney keeps all it's art employees sketchbooks and asserts rights over their doodles.

@celesteh @acb @danstowell ooops. not so familiar with the US system. well, Austria's right wing gov just legalised 12 hour days (60 hours weeks), which literally means someone would work non-stop.

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